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Old 03-11-2013, 05:39 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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jeeze, really? push them both out the back of a jet over the pacific. that is what they both deserve.
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Old 03-11-2013, 05:58 PM
 
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You are right, and I agree, it IS excessive, but to play devil's advocate for a moment, isn't excessive sometimes necessary? Let's be honest, while growing up, did you talk back to your father? I didn't, because if I did, the punishment would have included getting whacked so hard I would feel as if my head was going to spin off my shoulders. Excessive, wouldn't you say? BUT, the fear of that punishment was enough that I didn't perform the action.
If you keep someone in prison for life, they can't do the same thing again even if they are reformed. So like I was saying, the point is to deter the crime from happening again. If she's never judged safe to be in society then sure, keep her locked up forever. But to decide right now never to let her out again for the rest of her life, I think is too much. She should get a certain amount of time (whatever that might be) for the crime, but after that she should be let out based on whether or not she's a danger. We have psychological evaluations and parole board hearings and such for that.

I don't think her going away for 20 years or going away for life is going to make a big difference in keeping society safe from another crime. I think one is as good as another for that.

She's 24 now I think the article said. If she's out when she's 50 then I'm good with that. I don't need to see her behind bars until she dies of old age.

I just don't agree with the death penalty or with life without parole sentences. If the person is a twisted individual who never reforms, then they'll never get out. But if they are judged safe for society and they've been sitting in a cell for 2 or 3 decades then I say let them go. Anything beyond that I consider revenge rather than justice. If the person has learned their lesson and won't do it again and has served enough time that other people will think twice about doing the same thing, then justice has been served. And if they aren't judged safe for society, then we go ahead and keep them locked up until they die of old age.
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Old 03-11-2013, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Earth
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So instead of commenting on the heinous act in the article you decide to attack the poster? Seriously?
What's there to say about the heinous act?
Confirm that it's heinous?

The poster wants all women to breed.
This is what you get when you want to force people to do something that is not for everyone.
Just because we're woman, doesn't mean that breeding is required.
This is what happens to people who are not capable of raising kids.
But the Rs want all women pregnant, barefoot and taking care of their flawed economic model.

Do you feel that all women should breed?
If you do, this is what you get.
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Old 03-11-2013, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Don't worry, she's just angry because I suggested in another forum, that contraception should be the responsibility of the people requiring it, and not the responsibility of the government or insurance companies. I used the "R"esponsibility word, and that tends to upset various people.

The fact is, THAT particular discussion is in another thread, but some people are so sophomoric that they cannot differentiate from one to another and believe that foisting their opinions on others in differing threads, is a better way to make their point.

What's really sad is that in THIS case, a more permanent method of contraception is indicated, this woman should NEVER have children, or be associated with, in or around children, ever again. Locking her up like a rabid animal in a cage, permanently, seems like an excellent idea to me.
Not angry at all.
Just pointing out what you get when you think all women should breed.
This is the result.
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Old 03-11-2013, 06:20 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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If you keep someone in prison for life, they can't do the same thing again even if they are reformed. So like I was saying, the point is to deter the crime from happening again. If she's never judged safe to be in society then sure, keep her locked up forever. But to decide right now never to let her out again for the rest of her life, I think is too much. She should get a certain amount of time (whatever that might be) for the crime, but after that she should be let out based on whether or not she's a danger. We have psychological evaluations and parole board hearings and such for that.

I don't think her going away for 20 years or going away for life is going to make a big difference in keeping society safe from another crime. I think one is as good as another for that.

She's 24 now I think the article said. If she's out when she's 50 then I'm good with that. I don't need to see her behind bars until she dies of old age.

I just don't agree with the death penalty or with life without parole sentences. If the person is a twisted individual who never reforms, then they'll never get out. But if they are judged safe for society and they've been sitting in a cell for 2 or 3 decades then I say let them go. Anything beyond that I consider revenge rather than justice. If the person has learned their lesson and won't do it again and has served enough time that other people will think twice about doing the same thing, then justice has been served. And if they aren't judged safe for society, then we go ahead and keep them locked up until they die of old age.

but taxpayer money will still be paying her way in prison. I still favor the free step off out the back of the plane trip. that way is more permanent.
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Old 03-11-2013, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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What's there to say about the heinous act?
Confirm that it's heinous?

The poster wants all women to breed.
This is what you get when you want to force people to do something that is not for everyone.
Just because we're woman, doesn't mean that breeding is required.
This is what happens to people who are not capable of raising kids.
But the Rs want all women pregnant, barefoot and taking care of their flawed economic model.

Do you feel that all women should breed?
If you do, this is what you get.
Ironic. All of us conservatives trying to change the current model are "nut jobs", "heartless", "teabaggers", and a host of other dirty names.
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Old 03-11-2013, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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Not angry at all.
Just pointing out what you get when you think all women should breed.
This is the result.
You seriously have a comprehension problem, don't you?

The suggestion that people should be responsible for providing their own contraception is in no way a suggestion that all women should breed.

The fact that you cannot understand this is not the fault of anyone here. There are in fact many programs that can assist you in comprehension of the english language should you wish, but no one here is interested in your lack of ability to comprehend the english language.

The appearance in this case of this woman having a child has nothing to do with whether the child was wanted or unwanted, this woman sold the child to be used in child pornography, and KNEW it.
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Old 03-11-2013, 06:48 PM
 
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You seriously have a comprehension problem, don't you?

The suggestion that people should be responsible for providing their own contraception is in no way a suggestion that all women should breed.

The fact that you cannot understand this is not the fault of anyone here. There are in fact many programs that can assist you in comprehension of the english language should you wish, but no one here is interested in your lack of ability to comprehend the english language.

The appearance in this case of this woman having a child has nothing to do with whether the child was wanted or unwanted, this woman sold the child to be used in child pornography, and KNEW it.
I guess she thinks all women are too stupid to figure out their own birth control. I have much more faith in women than that. Unless she has proof that the woman in the story was forced to have a baby, her posts are completely irrelevant to the thread.

I didn't realize the first time I read this story that the child had actually been given to the man. I thought they had been caught before the child was harmed. Another story I saw today said the woman had been giving the man the baby to molest since she was 4 months old. This whole story just breaks my heart.
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