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Old 03-12-2013, 10:04 AM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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Of course, no one anticipates these tragic outcomes - but, trust me, once they happen - the legal ball will start rolling.
Nothing will happen to these boys legally, my prediction.
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Old 03-12-2013, 10:08 AM
 
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Good for you That happens all the time. The victim is treated as harshly as the bully.

There is a scene in the documentary "Bully" in which the principal forces two kids who had been fighting to shake hands. The bully gladly extends his hand, and his victim doesn't want to shake it, because he knows it's just a show for the teacher's benefit. She lets the bully go, and stops to admonish and lecture the victim, who is now in tears, about how harsh he is being on the bully.
That's horrible - it solves nothing to go through a false handshaking exercise.

Back when I was teaching in middle school, I made it a point to be very aware of who the bullies were. They were always the same kids, doing the same crap. Not a lot that can be done except keep writing up the bullies and get them in every sort of trouble you could get them into, so if they ever get in serious trouble, there will be documentation to get them into deeper doodoo.
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Old 03-12-2013, 10:11 AM
 
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He didn't want to fight. The two buys attacked him (and ultimately killed him.) How is that NOT bullying?
It just isn't. Bullying is a pattern of harassment. It isn't a single fistfight. That's manslaughter, not bullying. It may have been part of a bullying campaign, but the information given doesn't show that. The description of the one fight doesn't indicate bullying, it just indicates a schoolyard fight gone horribly wrong.
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Old 03-12-2013, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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It just isn't. Bullying is a pattern of harassment. It isn't a single fistfight. That's manslaughter, not bullying. It may have been part of a bullying campaign, but the information given doesn't show that. The description of the one fight doesn't indicate bullying, it just indicates a schoolyard fight gone horribly wrong.
But the bullying teaching going on takes into account any action of aggression, even name calling just once.

I posted a link to the FedGov site on bullying which is what's being taught to kids in school.
"Any act of aggression" is bullying now and it does not have to occur more than once.


Now it can happen only once and be called bullying because there is the "potential" for it to occur again.

Here..DOE, HHS, CDC and DOJ put this website together
Bullying Definition | StopBullying.gov
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Old 03-12-2013, 11:10 AM
 
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It just isn't. Bullying is a pattern of harassment. It isn't a single fistfight. That's manslaughter, not bullying. It may have been part of a bullying campaign, but the information given doesn't show that. The description of the one fight doesn't indicate bullying, it just indicates a schoolyard fight gone horribly wrong.
You're playing Semantics. The kid was bullied. It led to him being beaten to a point at which he sustained injuries that eventually took his life.
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Old 03-12-2013, 11:11 AM
 
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But the bullying teaching going on takes into account any action of aggression, even name calling just once.

I posted a link to the FedGov site on bullying which is what's being taught to kids in school.
"Any act of aggression" is bullying now and it does not have to occur more than once.


Now it can happen only once and be called bullying because there is the "potential" for it to occur again.

Here..DOE, HHS, CDC and DOJ put this website together
Bullying Definition | StopBullying.gov
ZERO bullying should be allowed. ZERO. Aggression has no place in schools or anywhere.
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Old 03-12-2013, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Out West
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That's horrible - it solves nothing to go through a false handshaking exercise.

Back when I was teaching in middle school, I made it a point to be very aware of who the bullies were. They were always the same kids, doing the same crap. Not a lot that can be done except keep writing up the bullies and get them in every sort of trouble you could get them into, so if they ever get in serious trouble, there will be documentation to get them into deeper doodoo.
Wow. A write up. How scary. No wonder we have more of these stories coming out these days. Bring back the paddle.
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Old 03-12-2013, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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ZERO bullying should be allowed. ZERO. Aggression has no place in schools or anywhere.
It's called zero tolerance and has been in the schools for some time.

But you cannot be everywhere at all times to make sure it doesn't happen.
One teacher per 25 or more students. Impossible to watch each of them at all times.
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Old 03-12-2013, 11:16 AM
 
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That's called Assault, and its a felony.
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Old 03-12-2013, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Earth
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How do you know that?

What if, just saying, what if they were teasing him. Not touching, but just in in path. Teasing. What if, the boy just got upset enough and swung at them first? What if? There are a lot of what ifs.

Although I doubt this is the case, and I believe its was just two thugs who embrace this culture of violence, I am able to keep a open mind. I'm not blaming the victim at all, but I am not blaming two people yet of murder or manslaughter because they deserve to tell their side. We don't know.
Well, show me where that was reported.
What if's are stupid.
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