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Old 03-12-2013, 02:50 PM
 
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National Colored Advancement Association isn't very similar to National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.
Learn something new everyday.
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Old 03-12-2013, 02:51 PM
 
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Where you are wrong is in applying this nature of change to the modern leftist, socialist, statist Democratic Party.
Were you under the impression that the liberals of the 19th century did not support government regulations? That was one of their primary platforms! [I'm talking about people further to the left than your 'classical liberals']

Were you under the impression that the liberals of the 19th century did not support a separation of church and state? That was one of their primary platforms!

Your fantasy view of history lies in the belief that all of the great reformers of the past called themselves liberals, but sometime in the past 60 or so years, a massive coup d'etat replaced old, good liberals with new, modern, evillll liberals that resemble them in nothing but...three quarters of their political ideology, drawing support from roughly the same demographics and supporting policies that are largely simply extensions of old liberal ideals.

Huh, I guess every revisionist history needs time to grow into a viable conspiracy theory. Please come back later.
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Old 03-12-2013, 02:59 PM
 
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My major is history.
Oh my goodness. You just scared the living daylights out of me. Seriously!

Now I'm really convinced our country is in serious trouble, and it's not merely the school boards censoring history textbooks.
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Old 03-12-2013, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Oh my goodness. You just scared the living daylights out of me. Seriously!
That is odd - usually people are scared after I tell them that I plan to apply to law school.
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Old 03-12-2013, 03:05 PM
 
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That is odd - usually people are scared after I tell them that I plan to apply to law school.
Given that you don't "believe" in evolution and think that 19th century republicans are like modern republicans because they're spelt the same way, you really shouldn't act shocked.
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Old 03-12-2013, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Given that you don't "believe" in evolution and think that 19th century republicans are like modern republicans because they're spelt the same way, you really shouldn't act shocked.
Ahhh - I see that you realized that your comment about DUI defense attorneys made absolutely no sense whatsoever.

By the way, it is "spelled", not "spelt".
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Old 03-12-2013, 03:29 PM
 
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Conservatives are very vocal about "treasonous activities", banning "obscene" images and restricting porn.

Suspiciously, they oppose hate speech laws targeted at the Klan and neo-nazi parties, yet fiercely support anti-terrorist laws that cut our 1st/4th amendment freedoms dangerously thin.
And liberals support those very same bans. Look at the voting record on the Patriot Act. And liberals invite the President of Iran to speak on campus while protesting Ann Coulter speaking on campus. You have no leg to stand on here.

Your attempt to connect opposing hate speech laws to supporting antiterrorism measures is simply wrong. Not only are you making no point since you have liberals who support the hate speech laws and oppose the antiterrorism legislation, but the idea that a law to prevent saying mean things about a minority is the same as a law to prevent planning terrorist attacks is just a basic failure of analogy.

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vs drug control.

Public safety vs arbitrary social convention.

Just like it has always been. Back in the 19th century, it was minimum wage laws vs blasphemy laws.
Uh, no, not "just like it always has been". For someone telling someone else to read a history book you show a remarkable lack of understanding of actual history. Conservatives within an authoritarian society, such as China or 18th century England, want to keep it authoritarian while liberals want to institute individual freedom. Conservatives within a free society, such as America, want to keep individual freedoms while liberals want to institute state control. People of the liberal persuasion fool themselves by saying since it is a good idea to help people, it isn't authoritarian control. But state control is state control, no matter what the end goal is.

Hate speech laws designed to legislate political correctness are an "arbitrary social convention" liberals support. Opposing letting females into law enforcement and firefighting with lower standards is a public safety issue conservatives support.

Your "just like it always has been" comment is flawed just from a logic standpoint. If you started this thread saying that present conservatives condemn the very thing that past conservatives supported, how can you now claim that it is just like it always has been?

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No, we have state sovereignty vs individual freedoms. Conservatives love to think that states are real people with feelings and all.
No, it's called the 10th amendment. It is state sovereignty versus federal control. Read the 10th amendment. Not a liberal interpretation of the 10th amendment. The actual amendment. Funny how you can compose a lengthy post about conservatives acting differently today than yesterday. Yet when someone says liberals do it too, you suddenly come out with left wing propaganda. I saw Al Sharpton say what you're saying.

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I stopped reading here.
Good choice. You only would have been further exposed applying logic to analyzing conservatives but then throwing it out for an emotional defense of liberalism.

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Read a history book.
I have read many history books. Real history books, not leftist interpretations of history. That's why I can accurately point out how your beloved liberals supported everything you want them to be against, and were against everything you want them to be for. History tells you that the sides switch. When the liberals get their way, they then become the conservatives defending their gains, and the old conservatives then become the new liberals trying to change it. It is a concept demonstrated throughout history from ancient Greece to the Reformation to the "liberalization" of communist nations (making them more about individual rights and economic freedom) to the "liberalization" of European countries (introducing socialism) to America today.

In other words, you present something couched in "scholarly" terms as a history lesson but all you seem to really want to do is bash Republicans.

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Old 03-12-2013, 06:32 PM
 
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That is odd - usually people are scared after I tell them that I plan to apply to law school.
That's almost as scary.
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Old 03-12-2013, 06:36 PM
 
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I have read many history books. Real history books
May I ask you to name a couple of history books you've read?

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In other words, you present something couched in "scholarly" terms as a history lesson but all you seem to really want to do is bash Republicans.
Why do you think libs might be bashing Republicans? And don't give me your canned, standard propaganda answers.
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Old 03-12-2013, 06:40 PM
 
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Ahhh - I see that you realized that your comment about DUI defense attorneys made absolutely no sense whatsoever.

By the way, it is "spelled", not "spelt".
While spelled is the more common spelling, spelt is correct ALSO.
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