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Old 03-26-2013, 10:32 AM
 
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I like Europe. It was beautiful when I was there. I am sure it still is.

History is kind of my thing, and you dont get to modern America without taking a nice long swim thru European history.

That being said, Italy just precluded my re-vist there with the double jeapordy thing popping up in the news.
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Old 03-26-2013, 10:36 AM
 
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If you look at the percentage of immigrants by country you will find that the U.S. has 12.8 percent of citizens being foreign born. If you look at Canada the percentage is 18.7.
If you compare the qualifications to enter either country you will see it's much more difficult to get into Canada. This is a good thing.

The whole point of me posting the video was to show how people react when the myth that the U.S. is number one is challenged. Judging from the comments here, it's clear some of you still have your heads in the sand.
You can't take criticism. Do some research and see that what the character says in this TV show is basically true. That is the point of the post. Wake up America.
You are right. it is a good thing. (I mean that part about it being hard to get into Canada) Our liberals here want it to be super easy for the very poor to get here. That is a bad thing.

As for the linked video and that the US is not great etc... that tv show is bull and it does not deal with any form of realty.

is America Number One? well that is about as subjective as which flavor of ice cream is best.

I am glad that you like your country. It is wonderful. Im partial to mine.
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Old 03-26-2013, 10:52 AM
 
Location: East St. Paul 651 forever (or North St. Paul) .
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If you look at the percentage of immigrants by country you will find that the U.S. has 12.8 percent of citizens being foreign born. If you look at Canada the percentage is 18.7.
If you compare the qualifications to enter either country you will see it's much more difficult to get into Canada. This is a good thing.

The whole point of me posting the video was to show how people react when the myth that the U.S. is number one is challenged. Judging from the comments here, it's clear some of you still have your heads in the sand.
You can't take criticism. Do some research and see that what the character says in this TV show is basically true. That is the point of the post. Wake up America.
The only people that want to enter Canada don't know anything about the country. I DID want to get out of here and move there, until I found out a gallon of gas is $5-6(US), a round of golf at a average muni was roughly 50% higher, a tin of chew is $20(US), and so on.

Your price of life there makes it wonder how anyone can get rich there.

But It is a pretty country, FWIW. And I do agree we Americans can be a bit too arrogant for our own good.
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Old 03-26-2013, 11:20 AM
 
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France heat wave death toll set at 14,802
PARIS (AP) — The death toll in France from August's blistering heat wave has reached nearly 15,000, according to a government-commissioned report released Thursday, surpassing a prior tally by more than 3,000.

That was 2003. Seems like the vacation-loving, superior-to-Americans-in-every-way Europeans have a penchant for leaving their glorious socialized medicine/elder care apparatus woefully understaffed come beach and sun time. Predictable end result of minds that embrace the socialist ideology -- "the government will take care of it." The government didn't.

In the early to mid 1990s, part of my employment included escorting visiting dignitaries/heads of states when in town. So many of these visits revolved around hospitals -- they and their families were being treated in the US - that I took note of that fact. It was obvious that they couldn't get the care they desired in their socialized systems, but they could go around it due to the power, wealth and privilege they possessed. Seeking medical help in non-socialized systems while championing socialized medicine is an action that speaks louder than the words used to heap praise on that same system, don't you think? We will pay dearly for our new system which was signed into law by public servants who admittedly DID NOT READ IT. Ask yourself, Why would they do that? Answer: As the aforementioned heads of state --THEY.DO.NOT.INTEND.TO.BE.SUBJECT.TO.IT.

As for Europeans in general, they are as ignorant of Americans as most Americans are of them, only they don't know it because they are simple enough to believe they know us well due to the deluge of American Pop Culture that pours over them. Author Bruce Bawer recalls in his book, While Europe Slept, an incident where some disagreement with an inn owner, i believe, in the middle of nowhere, Norway, resulted in the inn keeper exacting revenge by telling a journalist that Bawer demanded McDonald's and became apoplectic when informed he couldn't have it. The story took off all over Europe because of the European biased view of Americans.

What is more hilarious, to me, is the anti-American Americans, the ones who love to lord the alleged superiority of Europe over us provincial folk. Funny, almost NONE of these people ever give up their US citizenship. They constantly cite the high rate of multi-lingual folk in Europe, in contrast to the US population. What is never given credence by these deep thinkers is that if each US state had its own language, as in Europe, that multi-lingual rate would swing significantly in favor of the US. They believe Europeans are intellectually superior, yet ignore the fact the tide is of Europeans desiring to be educated in the US, not the other way around. For now, The US leads the world in medical innovation, which greatly benefits countries with socialized medicine, book publishing, and more. The popular belief of Americans-are-dumb doesn't hold up to a true inspection. If if we were inundated with European Jerry Springer Shows, what would we think of them? Europe does have its remarkable history, but considering the mammoth amount of interesting history this country has packed into its short existence, if all things were equal, we'd outstrip them in that department as well.


On the traveling front, Europeans can be as loud and obnoxious as any loud and obnoxious American, but the whole respective country doesn't get the bad rap, as do Americans. On a recent trip out west, I couldn't decide which group of tourists were more loud and obnoxious, the Europeans or the Asians.

People of all shapes and sizes come in all shapes and sizes.

Firstly comes the weather related deaths:

Dozens of deaths tied to heat wave over last 2 weeks - U.S. News

NWS Weather Fatality, Injury and Damage Statistics

http://downloads.globalchange.gov/us...dfs/health.pdf

Secondly comes the Medical tourism:

Americans Increasingly Seek Medical Care Abroad

Medical tourism draws growing numbers of Americans to seek health care abroad - Washington Post

Americans Consider Crossing Borders for Medical Care

Third point your raised was the influx of folks seeking education in the U.S. which at least one link shows it's because you go looking for them and recrute them with lower costs and NOT because what you have to offer is superior in any way shape or form ...merely CHEAPER and available.

US universities 'seeking to recruit more British students' - Telegraph

Global grade: How do U.S. students compare? - Academic skills | GreatSchools

http://www.nafsa.org/_/File/_/mayjun10_goingmobile.pdf

Best Education In The World: Finland, South Korea Top Country Rankings, U.S. Rated Average

And lastly your point of tourists and their behaviour; here you might actually be onto something:

British and French Vie for
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Old 03-26-2013, 11:29 AM
 
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The only people that want to enter Canada don't know anything about the country. I DID want to get out of here and move there, until I found out a gallon of gas is $5-6(US), a round of golf at a average muni was roughly 50% higher, a tin of chew is $20(US), and so on.

Your price of life there makes it wonder how anyone can get rich there.

But It is a pretty country, FWIW. And I do agree we Americans can be a bit too arrogant for our own good.
So the fact that we have tougher requirements for entry and in spite of that more immigration into our country of higher qualified people is of lesser import than the cost of a tin of chewing tobacco?

Aaah yes; that would be a relevent marker alrighty.

Methinks "arrogance" is not the only character trait you need to work on.
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Old 03-26-2013, 11:43 AM
 
Location: East St. Paul 651 forever (or North St. Paul) .
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So the fact that we have tougher requirements for entry and in spite of that more immigration into our country of higher qualified people is of lesser import than the cost of a tin of chewing tobacco?

Aaah yes; that would be a relevent marker alrighty.

Methinks "arrogance" is not the only character trait you need to work on.
Seems my point went entirely over your head.

No one in America making an "average" wage would EVER want to live in your high and mighty Canuckistan given that EVERYTHING there is more expensive, sometimes exponentially, got it?

And trust me, I know your land. My sister and her husband live there, cousins live there, and I too have been to three provinces.

PS: Did I mention you Canucks can get pretty darn arrogant yourselves?
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Old 03-26-2013, 12:04 PM
 
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I like Europe as a whole generally speaking, but not all countries there are equal.

I would certainly put Germany & the Scandinavian countries ahead of countries like Spain, Greece, and Portugal. I would probably also put them ahead of the US in most aspects. While the US leads in innovation, I think Germany and Scandinavia are far far ahead in quality of life. Although their taxes are higher, they get more bang for their buck with excellent healthcare, free to affordable college, excellent mass transit/roads, greater worker protection along with longer vacation, and unemployment and poverty are low , which equals lower crime rate overall. That's why you don't see extreme poverty in cities like Oslo, Frankfurt, and Stockholm like you would in Detroit, Washington, DC, or Philadelphia. I would gladly take this version of "socialism" which is basically Capitalism with a safety net (and not communism like most Tea Party/Republicans types think) versus our current system, which can literally ruin a person health wise and financially if they get sick and basically screws the poor and middle class.
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Old 03-26-2013, 12:08 PM
 
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France heat wave death toll set at 14,802
PARIS (AP) — The death toll in France from August's blistering heat wave has reached nearly 15,000, according to a government-commissioned report released Thursday, surpassing a prior tally by more than 3,000.

That was 2003. Seems like the vacation-loving, superior-to-Americans-in-every-way Europeans have a penchant for leaving their glorious socialized medicine/elder care apparatus woefully understaffed come beach and sun time. Predictable end result of minds that embrace the socialist ideology -- "the government will take care of it." The government didn't.

In the early to mid 1990s, part of my employment included escorting visiting dignitaries/heads of states when in town. So many of these visits revolved around hospitals -- they and their families were being treated in the US - that I took note of that fact. It was obvious that they couldn't get the care they desired in their socialized systems, but they could go around it due to the power, wealth and privilege they possessed. Seeking medical help in non-socialized systems while championing socialized medicine is an action that speaks louder than the words used to heap praise on that same system, don't you think? We will pay dearly for our new system which was signed into law by public servants who admittedly DID NOT READ IT. Ask yourself, Why would they do that? Answer: As the aforementioned heads of state --THEY.DO.NOT.INTEND.TO.BE.SUBJECT.TO.IT.

As for Europeans in general, they are as ignorant of Americans as most Americans are of them, only they don't know it because they are simple enough to believe they know us well due to the deluge of American Pop Culture that pours over them. Author Bruce Bawer recalls in his book, While Europe Slept, an incident where some disagreement with an inn owner, i believe, in the middle of nowhere, Norway, resulted in the inn keeper exacting revenge by telling a journalist that Bawer demanded McDonald's and became apoplectic when informed he couldn't have it. The story took off all over Europe because of the European biased view of Americans.

What is more hilarious, to me, is the anti-American Americans, the ones who love to lord the alleged superiority of Europe over us provincial folk. Funny, almost NONE of these people ever give up their US citizenship. They constantly cite the high rate of multi-lingual folk in Europe, in contrast to the US population. What is never given credence by these deep thinkers is that if each US state had its own language, as in Europe, that multi-lingual rate would swing significantly in favor of the US. They believe Europeans are intellectually superior, yet ignore the fact the tide is of Europeans desiring to be educated in the US, not the other way around. For now, The US leads the world in medical innovation, which greatly benefits countries with socialized medicine, book publishing, and more. The popular belief of Americans-are-dumb doesn't hold up to a true inspection. If if we were inundated with European Jerry Springer Shows, what would we think of them? Europe does have its remarkable history, but considering the mammoth amount of interesting history this country has packed into its short existence, if all things were equal, we'd outstrip them in that department as well.


On the traveling front, Europeans can be as loud and obnoxious as any loud and obnoxious American, but the whole respective country doesn't get the bad rap, as do Americans. On a recent trip out west, I couldn't decide which group of tourists were more loud and obnoxious, the Europeans or the Asians.

People of all shapes and sizes come in all shapes and sizes.
I'm surprised you can type with a chip that size on your shoulder.
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Old 03-26-2013, 02:01 PM
 
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I'm surprised you can type with a chip that size on your shoulder.
Brilliant retort. You got me.
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Old 03-26-2013, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Henderson, NV
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Seriously, what do Americans think of the great continent of Europe filled with old historic cities and of course Britain the ''motherland''

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I'd really like to visit especially to learn more about my family history. May father told me his father used to be a farmer living in a village near Naples in Italy. I think he or my mother told me once that I might have some distant relatives in South America and a couple of other places. I'm not sure though. My mother is Polish, Irish and German and I;ve seen in a family tree that they go back at least to the 1800s. Not sure when the crossover from Europe to the US was.

As for the old historic cities, I love history and literature so that's always a plus. I'd love to see where such and such a story was inspired or where so and so wrote his great masterpiece. I've met people who have been to Europe. My Western world Lit teacher has gone to some of the places where famous authors were born or where they lived. Basically, yeah, I like Europe.

As for Britain, I'm part Irish, I think we aren't supposed to like them that much but I don't care I want to see that place too. I like the British. Some favorite music groups came from there. I've also met a few people who moved from there. They are nice.

P.S. Prague. I just want to see that city before I die. It looks beautiful.
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