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Old 03-13-2013, 11:47 AM
 
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Why do you insist on trying to make two things, which are actually the same thing, orthogonal? You're drawing a distinction where there isn't one, just so you can try to divide up what you wish to accept from what you wish to reject.
I don't agree with what he's saying, but I do see what his point is. A moth may change from a white colored moth to a black colored moth but it is still a moth. It doesn't become a lizard or a rat. He's just saying there are limits to evolution. That organisms may change characteristics due to natural selection but it'll die out before it evolves into an entirely different form of life. Like I said, I don't actually agree with him. But I do see it as a distinction that is logical.

 
Old 03-13-2013, 11:48 AM
 
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There is are scientific papers and numerous presentations on it some of which are available on line if you are genuinely interested. I also suspect that since the person in the article is a Ph.D. he has a dissertation available if you would like to track it down.

Meaningless. Appeal to authority. Ones title does not validate a given position in science. There are numerous papers as well of scientists who were shown wrong throughout history, some of them with such great minds that I think it would be safe to say that the above P.H.D couldn't even qualify as an assistant.
 
Old 03-13-2013, 11:50 AM
 
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The question is if the hypothesis has been validated, or simply assumed as such due to a lack of better explanation. It might be a reasonable hypothesis, but without verification and validation of it through proper testing, it is simply an assumption based on various means.

Are there "problems" with evolution? Issues it can't explain, it can't validate within the confines of its hypothesis? If it can't then it does not meet the qualifications of a scientifically valid theory, though it may be "loose term" a "reasonable theory" in itself.
Certainly there are problems with evolution. It seeks to explain a complex biological process that spans millenia, so we are constantly coming across new information that the theory has to address. But the theory of evolution does a good job of explaining the information that we currently have.

The difference is that religion doesn't conform to the facts, like a scientific theory does, religion expects the facts to conform to the religion. Since religion doesn't look like science, doesn't act like science, doesn't respond to new information like science, it's not science. And shouldn't be taught as science.
 
Old 03-13-2013, 11:51 AM
 
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The anti-science people will never accept this. Ever.

They claim they want to see something that, by their own absurd and nonsensical requirements and definitions, couldn't possibly exist.

The fossil record is clear. Few species alive today have direct ancestors from the distant past. But all current species have plenty of common genes from the far distant past. We humans share an amazing genetic commonality with yeast.


Model organisms: Yeast | The Human Genome
 
Old 03-13-2013, 11:52 AM
 
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See there you go again. That is beyond the scope of the theory of evolution. You're focusing on the origin of life/'macro' evolution which are not actual scientific theories but more so natural history.


The theory of evolution can survive that discovery. It would cast a lot of dents in the origin of life, macro evolution synopsis.

Sorry you didn't understand my post.
 
Old 03-13-2013, 11:53 AM
 
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Most of the people on this thread just believe in these theories because they were taught in school. Not a lot of critical thought went into anything.
Unintentional irony.

Science is all about critical thinking.
 
Old 03-13-2013, 11:54 AM
 
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The fossil record is clear. Few species alive today have direct ancestors from the distant past.
What about species that remained through out millions of years?


...Species like the Ginko tree and the Shark?
 
Old 03-13-2013, 11:54 AM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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Sorry you didn't understand my post.
I did understand it, I'm saying you're wrong.
 
Old 03-13-2013, 11:54 AM
 
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Depends on if what is confirmed is what is simply sought.
As in theological "research."
 
Old 03-13-2013, 11:55 AM
 
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Unintentional irony.

Science is all about critical thinking.
It doesn't take critical thinking to learn what someone teaches you.
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