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Old 03-13-2013, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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So changes in DNA and observable traits over time are cannot be proven? Survival of the fittest cannot be proven?
Based on what I'm seeing today, I'm beginning to wonder.

Do we seem more fit as a nation than 100 years ago?

 
Old 03-13-2013, 08:54 AM
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Since we clearly can't agree, then no, it shouldn't be taught at all. Just tell them the world is and we can't explain why.
So we should lie to children just because some in our population are unable to accept theories that are supported by facts, and incapable of comprehending the difference between a scientific theory (again, supported by facts) and the "theory" of creationism?

How about we just stick to teaching science in science class instead?
 
Old 03-13-2013, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Evolution is biological history, mutation, and statistics.
Nothing, but it should be stressed, that it is only a theory, and not the only theory out there.

It should also be stressed that even the author of the theory was not able to explain the gaping holes in his own theory.

The problem is that schools teach it as a fact of life, when it is obviously only a theory.
 
Old 03-13-2013, 09:05 AM
 
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Nothing, but it should be stressed, that it is only a theory, and not the only theory out there.

It should also be stressed that even the author of the theory was not able to explain the gaping holes in his own theory.

The problem is that schools teach it as a fact of life, when it is obviously only a theory.

It shouldn't be STRESSED anymore than any other scientific theory is STRESSED as a "theory."

Science is mostly theory. Theory backed by experiment, observation and repeated results.



Fact is children will learn lots of things in Science class that eventually will challenge their belief in gods if they have any brains in their head whatsoever to start asking questions.
 
Old 03-13-2013, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Richardson, TX
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Science is based on the observable.

Evidence of evolution can be observed.

...Creationism is a hypothesis.
It's not even a hypothesis, it's a story.
 
Old 03-13-2013, 09:07 AM
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For those who are apparently unaware of what the word theory even means despite having it explained to them over and over every time this topic comes up:

Theory - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

How can you say what should or should not be taught in science class when you have absolutely no idea what you're even talking about?
 
Old 03-13-2013, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Richardson, TX
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Nothing, but it should be stressed, that it is only a theory, and not the only theory out there.

It should also be stressed that even the author of the theory was not able to explain the gaping holes in his own theory.

The problem is that schools teach it as a fact of life, when it is obviously only a theory.
What's a theory? That is where your disconnect is coming from.
 
Old 03-13-2013, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Land of Thought and Flow
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There is nothing wrong with teaching evolution as a theory, along with creation as a theory. Neither should be taught as proven fact, because both are unproveable.
The Theory of Evolution is a scientific theory. I would advise that you look up what a Scientific Theory actually is (protip: it's not the same as a theory) because otherwise, you just come off sounding very uneducated.

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Since we clearly can't agree, then no, it shouldn't be taught at all. Just tell them the world is and we can't explain why.
So basically, kids should be prevented from learning because you lack proper education into scientific terms and methods? Sounds rather silly.

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It's not even a hypothesis, it's a story.
Well, teeeechnically, a hypothesis is just a proposed explanation. I do agree that it's not a scientific hypothesis because there's no means for testing it.
 
Old 03-13-2013, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Columbus, OH
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The fossil record contains fossils of only complete and fully-formed species. There are no fossils of partially-evolved species to indicate that a gradual process of evolution ever occurred. Even among evolutionists there are diametrically different interpretations and reconstructions of the fossils used to support human evolution from a supposed ape-like ancestry.

Even if evolution takes millions and millions of years, we should still be able to see some stages of its process. But, we simply don't observe any partially-evolved fish, frogs, lizards, birds, dogs, cats among us. Every species of plant and animal is complete and fully-formed.

Another problem is how could partially-evolved plant and animal species survive over millions of years when their basic organs and tissues were still in the process of evolving? How, for example, were animals breathing, eating, and reproducing if there respiratory, digestive, and reproductive organs were still evolving?

The fact that animal and plant species are found fully formed and complete in the fossil record is powerful evidence (although not proof) for creation because it is evidence that they came into existence as fully formed and complete which is not possible by evolution. This is only possible with creation.
 
Old 03-13-2013, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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So we should lie to children just because some in our population are unable to accept theories that are supported by facts, and incapable of comprehending the difference between a scientific theory (again, supported by facts) and the "theory" of creationism?

How about we just stick to teaching science in science class instead?
At one time we did. Kids in public school learned evolution in Science and if they were Catholic, went to religious instruction to learn about the Bible and the religious theories.

When I went to school (Catholic school 1-8) we had 1/2 days on Wednesday. The public school kids that were Catholic went to the school in the afternoons for Catholic instruction.

They were separate and taught and there were no political battles fought.

You now have religious extremists trying to get religion into science classes.
That needs to stop. Tell the religious extremist politicians to open up a Bible studies class and teach it there.
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