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Old 03-13-2013, 08:50 AM
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There is no fossil record that shows evolution exists. None. Zero. Zip. Nada.

And the creation deniers cannot explain why.

If one species changes into another then there would be a fossil record of the event.
Okay. I guess blindfolding yourself, putting in earplugs, and then burying your head in the sand whilst screaming different words for "none" is one way to approach the subject...

 
Old 03-13-2013, 08:50 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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There is nothing wrong with teaching evolution as a theory, along with creation as a theory. Neither should be taught as proven fact, because both are unproveable.
False.

Evolution can be taught as fact because there's mountains of evidence. Just ask pharmaceutical scientists about how their drugs used to work on certain diseases and are now ineffective.

Creation has zero evidence. Not one shred.
 
Old 03-13-2013, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The fossil record contains fossils of only complete and fully-formed species. There are no fossils of partially-evolved species to indicate that a gradual process of evolution ever occurred. Even among evolutionists there are diametrically different interpretations and reconstructions of the fossils used to support human evolution from a supposed ape-like ancestry.

Even if evolution takes millions and millions of years, we should still be able to see some stages of its process. But, we simply don't observe any partially-evolved fish, frogs, lizards, birds, dogs, cats among us. Every species of plant and animal is complete and fully-formed.

Another problem is how could partially-evolved plant and animal species survive over millions of years when their basic organs and tissues were still in the process of evolving? How, for example, were animals breathing, eating, and reproducing if there respiratory, digestive, and reproductive organs were still evolving?

The fact that animal and plant species are found fully formed and complete in the fossil record is powerful evidence (although not proof) for creation because it is evidence that they came into existence as fully formed and complete which is not possible by evolution. This is only possible with creation.
Also, the "gambrian explosion" fossil records prove that the oldest fossils appeared around the same time, as if there was an explosion of new life, and before them that is nothing but rock. Many scientists agree that there is more evidence supporting creation than evolution. As a matter of fact the fossils do not show anything evolving into anything else. A lot of scientists refuse to study the evidence with an open mind, because they do not want to admit that they have been so wrong for so long.
 
Old 03-13-2013, 08:55 AM
 
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Creationism is nonsense. If it had any philosophical merit, one might be able to suffer it; but it is simple nonsense. What matters is evidence: scientific data - not unsubstantiated belief. Evolution is a fact. We can verify evolutionary process in speciation by hybridization in both plants and animals. Darwin’s theory of evolution by natural selection has been proven on the basis of scientific evidence and independently verified by Mendelian genetics. Only a fool would cling to faith in the face of empirical evidence and proof of its false belief.
 
Old 03-13-2013, 08:56 AM
 
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OK...





Made so many atoms that caused the big bang to happen? M'kay...atoms did not cause the big bang. Atoms came after the BB. You have your cart before your horse.
If the primordial atoms did not come into existence one millionth -100 seconds before atoms, then the big bang, there never would have been one, now would there? there had to be a transition between what is now, and what was then. The big bang theory is a bit fuzzy about when and how matter came into existence, so don't come down on my terminology as if you know what the hell happened. The big bang would not have happened without energy either, but then energy did not exist until the big bang either.
 
Old 03-13-2013, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Florida
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If evolution is the study of how new species of birds can over time create a larger or smaller species of bird, with different colors, beak sizes etc.. then I think 99% of the world can believe that, because it's scientifically provable. All we need to do is look at the family dog to see that.
Have you seen a family dog evolve into a giraffe? No, it can change based on the genes of his parents, but it will always be a dog.
 
Old 03-13-2013, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Richardson, TX
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If the primordial atoms did not come into existence one millionth -100 seconds before atoms, then the big bang, there never would have been one, now would there? there had to be a transition between what is now, and what was then. The big bang theory is a bit fuzzy about when and how matter came into existence, so don't come down on my terminology as if you know what the hell happened. The big bang would not have happened without energy either, but then energy did not exist until the big bang either.
Atoms did not form until after the BB. Space did not form until after the BB. Get back to topic.
 
Old 03-13-2013, 08:59 AM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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Creationism is nonsense. If it had any philosophical merit, one might be able to suffer it; but it is simple nonsense. What matters is evidence: scientific data - not unsubstantiated belief. Evolution is a fact. We can verify evolutionary process in speciation by hybridization in both plants and animals. Darwin’s theory of evolution by natural selection has been proven on the basis of scientific evidence and independently verified by Mendelian genetics. Only a fool would cling to faith in the face of empirical evidence and proof of its false belief.
Your an example of a person who doesn't know what you're talking about.

Explain to me

1)What is 'natural selection' and how was his theory proven (key word) by scientific evidence?
2)How does Mendelian genetics (which is incorrect to begin with, it's just a simplistic model) independently verify Darwin's theory?
 
Old 03-13-2013, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Columbus, OH
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Um, no person in their right mind thinks it is wrong to teach evolution in school, only religious wackadoos have a problem with it.

It takes a VERY dim mind to deny evolution. I can understand skepticism on the Big Bang and creation, but evolution is visible to the naked eye and obvious to anyone who can see how genetics work and how viruses adapt to become immune to antibiotics.

Frankly, anyone who denies evolution has to have an IQ below 100. You can't even be of average intelligence and deny evolution.
Where is the fossil record showing a species in transition? They don't exist. Evolution cannot be proven. There are plenty of fossils around. Millions in fact. Not one even suggests evolution.

A virus adapting is not evolution. Don't start talking about people with low IQs if that is what you believe.

You Creation deniers crack me up.

Show a record of a species in transition to another species. A different species. Not some silly virus mutation. And then evolution can be proved. Until then it is just a theory. And not a very good one at that.
 
Old 03-13-2013, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Columbus, OH
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Originally Posted by Wendell Phillips View Post
Creationism is nonsense. If it had any philosophical merit, one might be able to suffer it; but it is simple nonsense. What matters is evidence: scientific data - not unsubstantiated belief. Evolution is a fact. We can verify evolutionary process in speciation by hybridization in both plants and animals. Darwin’s theory of evolution by natural selection has been proven on the basis of scientific evidence and independently verified by Mendelian genetics. Only a fool would cling to faith in the face of empirical evidence and proof of its false belief.
And yet no one can find one piece of evidence of a species evolving into another species. Evolution is unsubstantiated belief. Not fact.

You Creation deniers are something else.
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