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Old 03-18-2013, 06:31 PM
 
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I'll pick new science over 2,000 year old science
I don't think they had science that long ago.

 
Old 03-18-2013, 07:08 PM
 
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Originally Posted by HistorianDude View Post
Perfectly nonexistent.
When you die, you'll know that there is a God.

If there is no God, which you claim, then how do you account for thousands, yes thousands, of accounts from people who have been declared clinically dead before resuscitation only to encounter the afterlife, in stunning detail, with similarities between them all?

Many chalk it up to other things in their arrogance, basically verbally or metaphorically blaspheming God, thinking that they have a better explanation than the fact that when we die our spirits leave our physical bodies to go to the place of the afterlife, whether Heaven or Hell, based upon whether one has accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior.

I really find it shocking that so many really think that they know better than God. It's absurdity.

When science confirms what the authority of the Bible claims, coupled with accounts confirming the afterlife, coupled with archaeological evidence that confirms the existence of places in the Bible and Jesus Christ, Himself, it's time you put down your defiance to the Lord and seek Him by way of the reading of scripture and through prayer. However, you have to come to Him in faith, and as the Good Word says, it only takes the faith of a mustard seed. That's a small amount for God to help that faith grow. All in all, however, one should put faith in the Christ who the Bible tells us about and trust His Word. That is the authority, not science, not archaeology. Even if those didn't confirm the Bible, which they do, the Bible is God's Word, it is inerrant, and it is one in which we should trust.

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Old 03-18-2013, 07:15 PM
 
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When you die, you'll know that there is a God.

If there is no God, which you claim, then how do you account for thousands, yes thousands, of accounts from people who have been declared clinically dead before resuscitation only to encounter the afterlife, in stunning detail, with similarities between them all?

Many chalk it up to other things in their arrogance, basically verbally or metaphorically blaspheming God, thinking that they have a better explanation than the fact that when we die our spirits leave our physical bodies to go to the place of the afterlife, whether Heaven or Hell, based upon whether one has accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior.

I really find it shocking that so many really think that they know better than God. It's absurdity.

When science confirms what the authority of the Bible claims, coupled with accounts confirming the afterlife, coupled with archaeological evidence that confirms the existence of places in the Bible and Jesus Christ, Himself, it's time you put down your defiance to the Lord and seek Him by way of the reading of scripture and through prayer. However, you have to come to Him in faith, and as the Good Word says, it only takes the faith of a mustard seed. That's a small amount for God to help that faith grow.
Near-Death Experiences Explained by Science | Out-of-Body Experiences | Death & Dying | LiveScience


Many find it shocking that people use their belief in God to prove his existence.
 
Old 03-18-2013, 07:25 PM
 
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What the heck?

Crazy quote... Never you mind this post...
 
Old 03-18-2013, 07:25 PM
 
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Here's more of that evidence that doesn't exist.

Fossils of Earliest Old World Monkeys Unearthed - Yahoo! News
Here's the problem.

Who was living so many "million of years ago" (we know it's really only six thousand years old)? No one.

Secondly, absolute dating is not reliable. Research has been done that shows it's not reliable because things that we know the date of, within our own lifetimes, has been dated to have a vast range of dates.

Lastly, one is assuming the date of a monkey based upon their own preconceived views. It's nothing more than the looking at of history with evolutionary goggles.
 
Old 03-18-2013, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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I don't think they had science that long ago.
Sure they did. The Greeks were already talking about atoms and what-not hundreds of years BCE.
The Chinese had already developed acupuncture and charted comets among other things.

Specific to our topic:
Evolution and Paleontology in the Ancient World
 
Old 03-18-2013, 07:31 PM
 
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Near-Death Experiences Explained by Science | Out-of-Body Experiences | Death & Dying | LiveScience


Many find it shocking that people use their belief in God to prove his existence.
Nonsense.

My dad physically died for a relatively long time before he was resuscitated, and his spirit popped out of his body. It is as it is described by many people who have experienced the same thing.

You can believe atheistic, arrogant "scientists" who in doing such "research" (of which they've never been a part of themselves; they weren't the ones whose physical bodies died) make up "theories" or ideas in order to discredit the existence of an afterlife. Again, one who does so is acting in an ignorant manner, that of an immature mindset. After all, who would try to deny the obvious right in front of one's face?
 
Old 03-18-2013, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Originally Posted by Sound of Reason View Post
When you die, you'll know that there is a God.

If there is no God, which you claim, then how do you account for thousands, yes thousands, of accounts from people who have been declared clinically dead before resuscitation only to encounter the afterlife, in stunning detail, with similarities between them all?

Many chalk it up to other things in their arrogance, basically verbally or metaphorically blaspheming God, thinking that they have a better explanation than the fact that when we die our spirits leave our physical bodies to go to the place of the afterlife, whether Heaven or Hell, based upon whether one has accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior.

I really find it shocking that so many really think that they know better than God. It's absurdity.

When science confirms what the authority of the Bible claims, coupled with accounts confirming the afterlife, coupled with archaeological evidence that confirms the existence of places in the Bible and Jesus Christ, Himself, it's time you put down your defiance to the Lord and seek Him by way of the reading of scripture and through prayer. However, you have to come to Him in faith, and as the Good Word says, it only takes the faith of a mustard seed. That's a small amount for God to help that faith grow. All in all, however, one should put faith in the Christ who the Bible tells us about and trust His word. That is the authority, not science, not archaeology. Even if those didn't confirm the Bible, which they do, the Bible is God's Word, it is inerrant, and it is one in which we should trust.
Either archaeology proves the existence of that which came before or it doesn't. Are we to believe that archaeology can prove the Christ walked the earth but the same science cannot be relied upon to prove anything else?
How does that work exactly?
 
Old 03-18-2013, 07:51 PM
 
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Nonsense.

My dad physically died for a relatively long time before he was resuscitated, and his spirit popped out of his body. It is as it is described by many people who have experienced the same thing.

You can believe atheistic, arrogant "scientists" who in doing such "research" (of which they've never been a part of themselves; they weren't the ones whose physical bodies died) make up "theories" or ideas in order to discredit the existence of an afterlife. Again, one who does so is acting in an ignorant manner, that of an immature mindset. After all, who would try to deny the obvious right in front of one's face?
It is quite feasible that your father experienced what is described in the article. Where is the "arrogance"?
Some people appreciate and respect scientific study and possible explanations for unusual phenomena. In truth, if there is something after death, it might very well have nothing to do with God or religion...although physics disputes any of this...
Physics and the Immortality of the Soul : Cosmic Variance

Mindset is another word for dogma and that is what religious zealots are stuck in.

BTW...there are very few people that would not want to live forever (on some level) and isn't that a good bribe to get the masses to buy into religion? The Muslim fanatics have even upped the ante with 72 virgins. Some uf us have faced the reality.

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Many chalk it up to other things in their arrogance, basically verbally or metaphorically blaspheming God, thinking that they have a better explanation than the fact that when we die our spirits leave our physical bodies to go to the place of the afterlife, whether Heaven or Hell, based upon whether one has accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior.

So according to your belief, all Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc., are going straight to hell.

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Old 03-18-2013, 07:53 PM
 
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Here's the problem.

Who was living so many "million of years ago" (we know it's really only six thousand years old)? No one.

Secondly, absolute dating is not reliable. Research has been done that shows it's not reliable because things that we know the date of, within our own lifetimes, has been dated to have a vast range of dates.

Lastly, one is assuming the date of a monkey based upon their own preconceived views. It's nothing more than the looking at of history with evolutionary goggles.
Who was living 6000 years ago?
How do you prove it?
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