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Allowing students to lead other students in prayer with a disclaimer that it does not reflect the school's position is not letting the school give children religious direction.
By allowing the students to recite the prayer over the school's broadcasting system, it is endorsing school led prayer/bible readings. That's already been ruled unconstitutional.
By allowing the students to recite the prayer over the school's broadcasting system, it is endorsing school led prayer/bible readings. That's already been ruled unconstitutional.
Engel v. Vitale was declared unconstitutional regarding a state official leading a prayer. Not a student.
Abington School District v. Schempp was declared unconstitutional regarding a state mandated Bible reading. Not a student led prayer.
This is giving students the option to say a prayer of their own choosing with a disclaimer that the prayer is not endorsed by the school. Neither of those cases apply. Which case holds that by allowing the students to recite the prayer over the school's broadcasting system, it is endorsing school led prayer/bible readings?
Engel v. Vitale was declared unconstitutional regarding a state official leading a prayer. Not a student.
Abington School District v. Schempp was declared unconstitutional regarding a state mandated Bible reading. Not a student led prayer.
This is giving students the option to say a prayer of their own choosing with a disclaimer that the prayer is not endorsed by the school. Neither of those cases apply. Which case holds that by allowing the students to recite the prayer over the school's broadcasting system, it is endorsing school led prayer/bible readings?
Why the need of a disclaimer? If students have the constitutional right to lead prayers on their own, why would a schools adminstration need to provide a disclaimer?
Engel v. Vitale was declared unconstitutional regarding a state official leading a prayer. Not a student.
Abington School District v. Schempp was declared unconstitutional regarding a state mandated Bible reading. Not a student led prayer.
This is giving students the option to say a prayer of their own choosing with a disclaimer that the prayer is not endorsed by the school. Neither of those cases apply. Which case holds that by allowing the students to recite the prayer over the school's broadcasting system, it is endorsing school led prayer/bible readings?
That it calls it student-LED prayer.
The court decisions have trended to no leading others in prayer via school resources.
Even a student can't lead a prayer to a captive audience at a public institution. It's been settled.
Anyone can pray or lead prayer to people who want to be listen. Is is really so HARD for people to get this SIMPLE idea? You only need a tiny IQ to understand it so whats the problem? Besides, nobody has ever put forward a good or logical reason to even attempt this. Go ahead and try...what's the upside. I dare ya to come up with one.
Does the Mississippi law allow an student to lead any prayer they wish...how does that work? A lottery system? If Malik Hassan want to read form the Qur'an, will that be allowed?
Will Patty Rodriguez be allowed to pray a novena? Tommy Feinstien allow to read from the Torah?
Why the need of a disclaimer? If students have the constitutional right to lead prayers on their own, why would a schools adminstration need to provide a disclaimer?
Because people have done their usual bit to interpret the constitution to mean whatever they want it to mean at the moment to take "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" to absurd extremes. The disclaimer is to get around the inevitable claims that a kid reading a prayer to other kids is a "law respecting an establishment of religion"
Even a student can't lead a prayer to a captive audience at a public institution. It's been settled.
Anyone can pray or lead prayer to people who want to be listen. Is is really so HARD for people to get this SIMPLE idea? You only need a tiny IQ to understand it so whats the problem? Besides, nobody has ever put forward a good or logical reason to even attempt this. Go ahead and try...what's the upside. I dare ya to come up with one.
Actually it is precisely having an IQ which allows a person to see it is patently ridiculous to say that any display of religion is a law establishing religion.
Does the Mississippi law allow an student to lead any prayer they wish...how does that work? A lottery system? If Malik Hassan want to read form the Qur'an, will that be allowed?
Will Patty Rodriguez be allowed to pray a novena? Tommy Feinstien allow to read from the Torah?
It is student composed and student led. So yes they may have an Islamic student read a prayer one day, a Jewish one the next day, a Christian one the day after that, a Wiccan one next week, a Hindu one next month, etc. It is a student decision what their prayer will consist of and they must include a disclaimer announcing that it is only the student's views and not the views of the state.
It is no more a state establishment of religion than a teacher having kids up to the front of the class and reciting a nursery rhyme.
And what's interesting is that having teachers hang an Obama poster in class, dress kids in Obama t-shirts, and sing a song of praise to Obama was perfectly OK.
Actually it is precisely having an IQ which allows a person to see it is patently ridiculous to say that any display of religion is a law establishing religion.
That had nothing to do with my post did it?
Give me a logical or practical reason for even wanting this, an upside. Just one. I'll be here waiting.
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