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Indeed. A person can pray whenever and wherever they like. Heck, in The Bible it is said to pray in private, not to make a show of it.
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Student-led prayer over an intercom is ridiculous.
Yes. And imagine how the people who endorse this notion or think this is a good idea would feel if, in the interest of equal time, student-led Jewish and Muslim prayers also were given ground. Or Hindu prayers. Or a period of Buddhist meditation. I doubt theyd be very happy.
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Originally Posted by Velvet Jones
...you probably live in fear of Sharia law being established in the US. You're all for prayer, as a long as it is your brand of Christian prayer. If students wanted to organize prayers to Mecca over the school PA you would probably throw a hissy fit.
Exactly.
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Originally Posted by BigDGeek
...public schools should be secular. If you want your kids to have a religious education, then you can homeschool or send them to a faith-based school like my parents did. Or you can have your child participate in any number of low-cost or free faith programs run by most churches and synagogues for school-age children.
Constitutional issue? How about "wasting time because it's not what a school is for" issue? It's like saying the cashier at Safeway should lead me in prayer before checking my groceries. Logic is your friend.
Liberalism is a religion. Thou shall not have any other god before me (President Barack Obama)
So, let me understand this: Your tactic for putting down liberalism is to claim that it's a religion? What a marvelous way of defending religion. This is like when the religious claim, "Science is religion." They attempt to demean science by claiming it is no better than that which they claim to be defending.
I wonder why the people moaning indoctrination in public school are always the ones who seem to be ok with kids being indoctrinated by religion in public schools (as long as it's their own of course). Or why they think religion (their own of course) it the counter-balance to everything else that they don't approve of.
Indeed. A person can pray whenever and wherever they like. Heck, in The Bible it is said to pray in private, not to make a show of it.
Yes. And imagine how the people who endorse this notion or think this is a good idea would feel if, in the interest of equal time, student-led Jewish and Muslim prayers also were given ground. Or Hindu prayers. Or a period of Buddhist meditation. I doubt theyd be very happy.
Oh, boo-hoo, you poor downtrodden Christians. How terrible it must be to be the dominant religion in a country, to have churches everywhere, to have your sermons televised and broadcast, to own entire television stations, to have sections of newspapers devoted just to your activities and events. Oh, to be so suppressed! You poor, poor believers!
Seriously.
I love it when Christians play the "We're so marginalized and repressed!" card, because Jesus allegedly says believers will be hated.
The vast, vast majority of people in this country self-identify as Christian. You cannot drive three blocks in any town without seeing a church, and that's leaving aside the 25,000-seat mega churches that have cropped up all over the place. Christians have their own radio stations, television networks, chain stores and retail outlets, publishing companies, advertising firms, clothing lines, etc., etc...
And that's fine! That's as it should be. This is a free country and if Christians want to indulge in some capitalism or exploit different forms of media to share their beliefs or spread their beliefs, that's well and good and as it should be.
But don't then turn around and pretend Christians are somehow mistreated or given short shrift or are discriminated against. That's pure nonsense.
So the valedictorian at graduation can say "I want to thank Jesus" and that means the world is coming to an end. Maybe the governor wants to prevent something like this from happening in his state:
A high school graduate, forced by public school officials to apologize for expressing her religious beliefs in her valedictory address or lose her diploma, has asked the US Supreme Court to review her case and reverse a lower court’s decision that upheld the school’s violations of her religious liberties and constitutionally protected speech.
Why would a Christian want to publicly thank Jesus and contradict what Jesus instructed him/her to do when it comes to public prayers? Wait, that's right, people who do things like this to actually express gratitude to Jesus, they do it to make a political point against those who don't share the same beliefs. I forgot.
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