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Old 03-19-2013, 03:45 PM
 
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Property ownership is irrelevant? Property rights are not rights? If someone wants to smoke in their own home why should you have the right to tell them what they can and cannot do in their own house? I think smoking should also be allowed in bars if the bar owner wants it because it is her business. If you don't like it you don't have to go into said bar and or house. You shouldn't be able to inflict your preferences on people miles away from you, just because you don't like what they are doing. That is not freedom.
That's one hell of a strawman you just beat up.

Correct. Let's say I am in your store, as such, I do NOT waive my rights, even if the owner says it is ok for someone else to assault me.

Unfortuantely, and this is the reason for the soon-to-be ban, the smoking does NOT STAY in the home, but infects other people's homes. If it stayed IN the smokers home, nobody would care, but sadly, that is not the case.

That's what I have been saying. Smokers shouldn't be able to inflict their prefernce, i.e. their filth on others!!!! Congrats, you're getting it

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Old 03-19-2013, 03:49 PM
 
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Wrong...

Nowhere in our law, constitution or elsewhere are rights coupled with responsibilities. No where has anyone agreed to responsibilities as a condition for enjoying rights.

What you are selling is essentially a lie.

The only responsibilities listed ANYWHERE are attached to privileges, such as driving.

You are aware of the distinction between rights and privileges are you not?

Perhaps not...
Your attitude, shared only be a very few, explains a lot. Thanks for revealing it.

Let me see, you have the right to speech, but the responsibility NOT to should "fire...".


You ahve a right to keep and bear arms, but a responsibility NOT to shoot people.

Starting to sink in, old chum?
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Old 03-19-2013, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Soldotna
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Your attitude, shared only be a very few, explains a lot. Thanks for revealing it.

Let me see, you have the right to speech, but the responsibility NOT to should "fire...".


You ahve a right to keep and bear arms, but a responsibility NOT to shoot people.

Starting to sink in, old chum?
Wrong. In have the right to bear arms. I also have a right to shoot people in certain situations.

There is no responsibility involved. Should I commit a crime then I would be held responsible.

I don't think responsibility means what you think it does.

Your logic fails here. Bearing arms like smoking is my right. Shooting someone illegally is a crime. Smoking in my house is not. Shooting someone takes away their choice. Smoking by you does not as you CAN move.

End of story...


As to my attitude, I suspect more people here are on my side of the fence. And what you fail to realize is that were you to kindly ask if I could smoke elsewhere because of whatever reason and you were FRIENDLY I'd say sure and do so.

But you anti smokers tend to be ***es and so we merely return the favor...
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Old 03-19-2013, 04:06 PM
 
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Wrong. In have the right to bear arms. I also have a right to shoot people in certain situations.

There is no responsibility involved. Should I commit a crime then I would be held responsible.

I don't think responsibility means what you think it does.

Your logic fails here. Bearing arms like smoking is my right. Shooting someone illegally is a crime. Smoking in my house is not.

End of story...
Appears not.
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Old 03-19-2013, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Soldotna
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Appears not.
You may want to reread. Especially the end.
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Old 03-19-2013, 04:12 PM
 
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You may want to reread. Especially the end.
I got the gist of it - thanks. You may wish to re-write.
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Old 03-19-2013, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Soldotna
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I got the gist of it - thanks. You may wish to re-write.
No need.

Clearly you've never learned how to convince people.

Being a general nuisance, citing false ideas of govt and general bullying don't work very well...

Luckily for me I live in a state where people like you get slapped down quick.

BTW, I visited Commiefornia last December. I smoked EVERYWHERE!!! I even threw some evil butts on the grounds. Gasp...

No one said **** because you internet gangsters don't actually say anything in public.

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Old 03-19-2013, 04:17 PM
 
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No need.

Clearly you've never learned how to convince people.

Being a general nuisance, citing false ideas of govt and general bullying don't work very well...

Luckily for me I live in a state where people like you get slapped down quick.
State of Delusion - yes you do. How is not wanting to be inflicted with tobacco smoke a nuisance, while inflciting others with tobacco smoke NOT a nuisance?

Answer, it isn't except the Delusionville, where you make your "home".
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Old 03-19-2013, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Soldotna
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State of Delusion - yes you do. How is not wanting to be inflicted with tobacco smoke a nuisance, while inflciting others NOT a nuisance?

Answer, it isn't except the Delusionville, where you make your "home".
How is not wanting to ... NOT a nuisance?

It IS a nuisance. Your sentence doesn't say what you think it does.

/pedantic fun

Just ASK and cut out the rude behavior. If you asked me as a neighbor to not smoke in my condo because it seeps into yours guess what I'd do? Smoke elsewhere. I don't smoke in my condo but you get the point.

But if you try to force my you'll just get middle finger.

I'll even pay the fines to be spiteful.

It would be a fight you wouldn't win.

Or you could be NICE and just ask...
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Old 03-19-2013, 04:22 PM
 
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No need.

Clearly you've never learned how to convince people.

Being a general nuisance, citing false ideas of govt and general bullying don't work very well...

Luckily for me I live in a state where people like you get slapped down quick.

BTW, I visited Commiefornia last December. I smoked EVERYWHERE!!! I even threw some evil butts on the grounds. Gasp...

No one said **** because you internet gangsters don't actually say anything in public.

Gangster - never. I don't hurt a soul. I just fight for truth, justice and the American Way. Have you heard of the Americ....., oh never mind.
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