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Old 08-22-2013, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Yes, corporate farms that collect subsidies that smaller farms cannot, and they also lobby for higher regulations to keep competitors out of the market place. The subsidies help breed corruption/quasi-monopolization.

The reason that New York has a high GDP is simply because of the money that flows through the state. New York does not produce/manufacture goods...not on the scale of other states... the GDP is based mostly on services, which are only there because of the money that passes through. Iowa produces more actual product than New York. Without the money from agricultural/manufacturing/energy in other states flowing through New York, they would not need as many services and the GDP would drop off.

If you want to look at states separately, you can not look at them as a part of a whole. You have to look at what that state would do ON ITS OWN. If Iowa was not part of a country with NYC, it would still produce tons of food. It is not the corporate farms that make it a productive area, it is the natural fertility and growing conditions.

Also, if the federal government were to dissolve, not every state would be it's own country, states would band together for mutual benefit.
NYC was founded on commerce and trade, nothing has changed and it is still an important part of our GDP because without commerce and trade you just have products sitting in warehouses.
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Old 08-22-2013, 07:24 PM
 
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NYC was founded on commerce and trade, nothing has changed and it is still an important part of our GDP because without commerce and trade you just have products sitting in warehouses.
Are you really telling me that without NYC the rest of the states could not conduct commerce and trade?
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Old 08-22-2013, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Are you really telling me that without NYC the rest of the states could not conduct commerce and trade?
No, without NYC our money would go through NYC that would be another country collecting GDP that use to be ours.
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Old 08-22-2013, 07:38 PM
 
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No, without NYC our money would go through NYC that would be another country collecting GDP that use to be ours.
What is wrong with NY being its own prosperous trade based economy, and Iowa being its own prosperous agricultural based economy then?
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Old 08-22-2013, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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What is wrong with NY being its own prosperous trade based economy, and Iowa being its own prosperous agricultural based economy then?
Nothing, when did I say there was anything wrong with that?
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Old 08-22-2013, 08:31 PM
 
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Nothing, when did I say there was anything wrong with that?
Are you not arguing against decentralization? Why argue against it if we have established that it is fine for states to have independent economies?
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Old 08-22-2013, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Are you not arguing against decentralization? Why argue against it if we have established that it is fine for states to have independent economies?
Anything that involves breaking up the American Economy is a bad idea.
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Old 08-22-2013, 10:02 PM
 
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Just so I understand: would each state operate their own CIA, Navy, Air force, Marines? Would each state have power stations or space agencies? Could VT declare war on Mexico while states along the border are at peace with Mexico? And if Louisiana think they desire the TX oil, can they declare war while other states are watching? What about mobile phone users travelling from one state to another? Would they need to own several phones? And if the strong state of NY decide to dump their waste in small RI, who will stop them? And even most states maintain a lose union, what about those who refuse to do anything with such union and prefer total separation?
Last but not least, would each state mint their own coins?

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Old 08-22-2013, 10:36 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Just so I understand: would each state operate their own CIA, Navy, Air force, Marines? Would each state have power stations or space agencies? Could VT declare war on Mexico while states along the border are at peace with Mexico? And if Louisiana think they desire the TX oil, can they declare war while other states are watching? What about mobile phone users travelling from one state to another? Would they need to own several phones? And if the strong state of NY decide to dump their waste in small RI, who will stop them? And even most states maintain a lose union, what about those who refuse to do anything with such union and prefer total separation?
Last but not least, would each state mint their own coins?
Why do you assume such things would happen?
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Old 08-22-2013, 10:56 PM
 
Location: State of Superior
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What's more important is interstate commerence. No way would i be able to make deals with 50 states in order to cross their borders. No , States Rights can mean many things, but always there must be a strong Central Goverment if for no other reason than to keep The States . in line.
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