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Yes Bush is a war criminal who should be tried as such.
No, that doesn't excuse Obama's actions concerning Benghazi.
I don't want this thread to get hijacked with a Benghazi discussion. I only brought it up to highlight the extreme hypocrisy of the right. Where is their outrage for the many, many dead by Bush's hand? We hear nary a peep from them on that subject.
Ten years ago today, the US invaded Iraq. We're mostly gone, can we say mission accomplished? The majority of Americans (around 70%) supported the decision to go to war at the time. I'm sure many posters here are among them. How'd you feel? If you were a supporter, what made you change your mind? As for myself, among other reasons, I was in favor of the war because it could make good television. There were other reasons, but I can't remember them anymore*. Edmund Burke said, "A conscientious man would be cautious how he dealt in blood." Wonder if our leaders followed that idea.
*Ah remember one. We need to fight them there so we don't fight them here. Since we haven't had a successful terrorist attack since the Iraq War, that worked out well. Though, more Americans died in Iraq than September 11, but perhaps the next terrorist would have been bigger.
Didn't support it, but people who are wrong never are discredited.
They never think what led me to support this disastrous war? What made me support Congress giving the executive branch expanded war powers in fighting the war on terror? What made me support the idiotic idea of a war on terror which is really a call for perpetual war? What made me support the idea of preemptive war? What made me support torture? What made me support the US government just holding people forever without charging or trying them in a court of law?
The sad part is we learn nothing and this huge mistake may be repeated. This stuff is a real threat to liberty and the American way of life. This is real government over reach and intrusion.
But the idiots who supported the Iraq war don't think they were wrong. Even though every bad prediction about what would happen if Iraq was invaded came true.
My attitude about Iraq at the time was that if a country that the U.S. has supported and enticed to a western style society then the U.S. bears some responsibility for the results of that country's development. If things work out well then good. In the case of Iraq at the time with the torture and murder of large numbers of its citizens then the U.S. should have some remedial action plan.
As a plan I believe that economic pressures alone should be able to resolve certain problems, given the cooperation of the international community at large. Unfortunately there are too few cooperating countries.
Ultimately, should U.S. citizens turn its interest away from helping a victimized community then what right do those citizens have to its own successful higher standard of living. I felt the same about helping Ugandan citizens during the terror of Idi Amin Dada (the last King of Scotland).
As for the actions of the government, civilian and military, as shown and debated throughout the media at the time, it was only a circus. The media being the Big Top. For me, the Bush war only satisfied a means to an end.
What were your feelings when Clinton tried to get support for a war with Iraq?
Clinton lied and manipulated us into a war with Iraq, where thousands of our service people were killed, many thousands more came home with physical and emotion injuries, and many hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi men, women, and children died?
Clinton lied and manipulated us into a war with Iraq, where thousands of our service people were killed, many thousands more came home with physical and emotion injuries, and many hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi men, women, and children died?
How did I miss that?
Nice spin. Pretty obvious you don't know as much as you think you do.
Or maybe you were still in grade school in 1998 and were busy mastering the monkey bars.
Whatever, I guess I overestimated you.
Nice spin. Pretty obvious you don't know as much as you think you do.
Or maybe you were still in grade school in 1998 and were busy mastering the monkey bars.
Whatever, I guess I overestimated you.
Actually, in 1998, I was working two and three jobs to support myself and my three youngest children.
The fact is, this thread is about the Iraq War and the ten year anniversary of it and how we felt about it.
Ten years ago today, the US invaded Iraq. We're mostly gone, can we say mission accomplished? The majority of Americans (around 70%) supported the decision to go to war at the time. I'm sure many posters here are among them. How'd you feel? If you were a supporter, what made you change your mind? As for myself, among other reasons, I was in favor of the war because it could make good television. There were other reasons, but I can't remember them anymore*. Edmund Burke said, "A conscientious man would be cautious how he dealt in blood." Wonder if our leaders followed that idea.
*Ah remember one. We need to fight them there so we don't fight them here. Since we haven't had a successful terrorist attack since the Iraq War, that worked out well. Though, more Americans died in Iraq than September 11, but perhaps the next terrorist would have been bigger.
Those who supported the war in 2003 (I think) did not support 10 years or even close to that. The original plan considered most troops back by Christmas. Nation building is a totally different business. I am not sure how many US citizens favored that.
I don't want this thread to get hijacked with a Benghazi discussion. I only brought it up to highlight the extreme hypocrisy of the right. Where is their outrage for the many, many dead by Bush's hand? We hear nary a peep from them on that subject.
They dont care about the countless dead from illegal wars.
They'd rather argue about msnbc being biased, or discuss celeb slime like ted nugent.
They havent received the meme yet that alternative media outlets exist in America, and no one is drinking the media kool-aid anymore.
Actually, in 1998, I was working two and three jobs to support myself and my three youngest children.
The fact is, this thread is about the Iraq War and the ten year anniversary of it and how we felt about it.
It is not about Clinton and the non-war of 1998.
No Comment. Got it lol
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