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So you don't want a shot put thrower to be quarterback? Still not getting your metaphor.
A good shot put throw only demonstrates handicap principle. It does not demonstrate foot ball skill. So its good for potential but is still just a raw recruit.
A good shot put throw only demonstrates handicap principle. It does not demonstrate foot ball skill. So its good for potential but is still just a raw recruit.
Because it is two different sports. That's okay, I am sure your metaphor was somewhere in there. Guessing it had to do with one who is good at one sport doesn't mean they are good at another.
While many here have a dislike for European socialism, I think people ought to give a try about European education, or more accurately, German education. Their high school education offers a blue-collar alternative for their children, and their secondary education is better than the education offered in many states of the union.
I've had a German language teacher once, and one thing about German education that she liked was that the children had a better work ethic over there, despite having less academic aptitude, compared to the work ethic of children in high school in the USA. At the same time, the academic rigor was much higher in high school Germany, compared to the high school curriculum in America.
...A lack of work ethic and skills in both older and younger Americans is the source of complaints about various issues in this forum.
This would require raising standards for high schools and if certain groups can't pass them at respectable rates than they'll cry about cultural bias and racism. So best to have high school remain a watered down experience and let the true weeding out occur during college.
While many here have a dislike for European socialism, I think people ought to give a try about European education, or more accurately, German education. Their high school education offers a blue-collar alternative for their children, and their secondary education is better than the education offered in many states of the union.
I've had a German language teacher once, and one thing about German education that she liked was that the children had a better work ethic over there, despite having less academic aptitude, compared to the work ethic of children in high school in the USA. At the same time, the academic rigor was much higher in high school Germany, compared to the high school curriculum in America.
...A lack of work ethic and skills in both older and younger Americans is the source of complaints about various issues in this forum.
What do you mean "give it a try" ? That used to be American education as well.
In sophomore year in HS you picked academic or vocational track for your last 2 years of HS.
If you picked vocational you learned a skill and many students got internships with local businesses.
I remember shop and working in a local garage was big with the guys.
Somewhere some big shot sitting at a desk in DC decided no more vocational and every child will go to college and be a winner.
If employees demand a college degree, then they demand a college degree.
You're speaking of freedoms. I'm speaking of what is good for society. "If employers demand a degree, they demand a degree" is fine as far as not telling employers what their requirements should or shouldn't be. That's a matter of personal freedom. But as a matter of overall societal health, it is not good for it to become common practice to require "a degree, any degree" just as a means of separating the generally competent from the generally incompetent. You reach a point where you might as well just have 16 grades of school instead of 12 grades. This leads to all of the negative things I mentioned - massive student debt, hundreds of lost man-years of production and taxes, overly inflated education costs, etc.
You're speaking of freedoms. I'm speaking of what is good for society. "If employers demand a degree, they demand a degree" is fine as far as not telling employers what their requirements should or shouldn't be. That's a matter of personal freedom. But as a matter of overall societal health, it is not good for it to become common practice to require "a degree, any degree" just as a means of separating the generally competent from the generally incompetent. You reach a point where you might as well just have 16 grades of school instead of 12 grades. This leads to all of the negative things I mentioned - massive student debt, hundreds of lost man-years of production and taxes, overly inflated education costs, etc.
One of my son's friends only wanted to be a car mechanic. Didn't want college.
Yet..he took the PSAT and SAT and applied at the local CC. All this pressured by his HS.
The HS had all the students apply to the local CC even if they had no intention of going there..100% participation in that exercise. Such is the push for all to go to college.
Ended up his friend got his foot in the door at Walmart working p/t in the automotive dept.
That was 2009. He's now got a full time job at an automotive repair place, making decent money and has his own place that he can afford.
What do you mean "give it a try" ? That used to be American education as well.
In sophomore year in HS you picked academic or vocational track for your last 2 years of HS.
If you picked vocational you learned a skill and many students got internships with local businesses.
I remember shop and working in a local garage was big with the guys.
Somewhere some big shot sitting at a desk in DC decided no more vocational and every child will go to college and be a winner.
America needs blue collar education much more then PhD. We need to develop such institutions immediatly.
Also, I worked in Germany for some time and did not notice anything special regarding work ethics. They were the same as in other europan countries - Holland, Denmark, etc.
America needs blue collar education much more then PhD. We need to develop such institutions immediatly.
Also, I worked in Germany for some time and did not notice anything special regarding work ethics. They were the same as in other europan countries - Holland, Denmark, etc.
...For blue-collar we need more innovation. We need innovation for industry for blue-collar.
...For blue-collar we need more innovation. We need innovation for industry for blue-collar.
Car mechanics, plumbers, electricians, masons, carpenters, construction workers, crane operators, etc. Many people can make a decent living working in these professions. Better then flipping burgers, Walmart or gas stations.
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Still not getting your metaphor.
