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Old 03-20-2013, 08:27 PM
 
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While many here have a dislike for European socialism, I think people ought to give a try about European education, or more accurately, German education. Their high school education offers a blue-collar alternative for their children, and their secondary education is better than the education offered in many states of the union.

I've had a German language teacher once, and one thing about German education that she liked was that the children had a better work ethic over there, despite having less academic aptitude, compared to the work ethic of children in high school in the USA. At the same time, the academic rigor was much higher in high school Germany, compared to the high school curriculum in America.

...A lack of work ethic and skills in both older and younger Americans is the source of complaints about various issues in this forum.
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Old 03-20-2013, 08:32 PM
 
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There is a lack of work ethic. Surveys of both teachers and employers show that.

I think that trade schools should be promoted more.

I think that jobs that don't require a college degree shouldn't require a college degree. If you want to be a chemist, a degree in chemistry is probably a good idea. But why does being an insurance salesman require a college degree?

We're pushing too many people into college. We have to give them the money to go to that college, which drives the cost of education up for the individual and adds to the burden of the taxpayer. Having to accomodate so many students is driving the quality of education down. Having so many degreed people is forcing people who want enter certain professions to get a graduate degree not because the job requires it but because there are simply too many people with bachelors. And putting people through that extra four years of education deprives them, the economy, and the taxpayer of four years worth of their production and taxes.
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Old 03-20-2013, 08:36 PM
 
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I think that jobs that don't require a college degree shouldn't require a college degree. If you want to be a chemist, a degree in chemistry is probably a good idea. But why does being an insurance salesman require a college degree?
If employees demand a college degree, then they demand a college degree.
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Old 03-20-2013, 08:39 PM
 
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What I want to know is how come my German teacher says that students in Germany have a better work ethic and have more knowledge and skills at the end of high school, despite Germany being a socialist country.

In this forum socialism and liberalism is associated by some with laziness and stupidity.
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Old 03-20-2013, 08:41 PM
 
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I remember students in my high school system had the option to go to trade school their last two years which the students that went would divide their time between their home school and the trade school.

Though in this day and age, just about every employer demands that everyone have a college degree.
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Old 03-20-2013, 08:44 PM
 
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The problem is their is no blue collar alternative in our economy. Most of our manufacturing has been decimated and what little blue collar we have left leaves little to support a family like the factory jobs of old. The globalization and outsourcing have rendered a middle class blue collar obsolete. Getting a trade skill means little if trade skills are not in demand or pay minimum wage. Now if companies are ready to begin investing back into America than I am all for it as not everyone is cut out for college, but right now its as dead as Uncle Homer.
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Old 03-20-2013, 08:49 PM
 
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The problem is their is no blue collar alternative in our economy. Most of our manufacturing has been decimated and what little blue collar we have left leaves little to support a family like the factory jobs of old. The globalization and outsourcing have rendered a middle class blue collar obsolete. Getting a trade skill means little if trade skills are not in demand or pay minimum wage. Now if companies are ready to begin investing back into America than I am all for it as not everyone is cut out for college, but right now its as dead as Uncle Homer.
Germany has industry and low unemployment.
*no excuses*
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Old 03-20-2013, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Germany has industry and low unemployment.
*no excuses*
Germany also invests heavily in its own industry and German Companies rely on German workers rather than ship their jobs off to cheaper labor countries.
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Old 03-20-2013, 08:51 PM
 
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I remember students in my high school system had the option to go to trade school their last two years which the students that went would divide their time between their home school and the trade school.

Though in this day and age, just about every employer demands that everyone have a college degree.
The problem is because it is only fulfilling handicap principle. To illustrate: in football would you want the winner or the loser of a shot put contest? You want the winner due to handicap principle, but the shot put skill is quite useless. Far too much of that in our educational system. We have people who can be trained, but they are untrained.
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Old 03-20-2013, 08:51 PM
 
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No, the government should not be gambling taxpayer money on what skill sets might be marketable in the future.
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