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Old 03-25-2013, 09:26 AM
 
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If you really,truly believe this <bold> then I want to live in the world you're obviously in. Insurance companies can/do/will have absolute control over any treatment you may get unless you're a cash payer it's unavoidable.
And under ObamaCare, a panel of unqualified bureaucrats with political ties to the president will be in charge of that treatment. I certainly trust the free market system, where I am free to go elsewhere, over the government that can punish me with the full force of the government behind them.
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Old 03-25-2013, 09:27 AM
 
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See, i think we need a single-payer healthcare system that companies like this can dump their workers into. Then this wouldn't be an issue.

However there are a lot of interests in washington and around the country who don't want single-payer care, so instead we are left with PPACA.

It's hard for me to blame this all on "Obama", when conservatives are being obstructionist and offering no helpful alternatives. If the right would've had some decent proposals for healthcare then perhaps PPACA would've never come to pass.

just listen to this jackass. does this sound like a man with a better plan?
Who's going to pay for it?
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Old 03-25-2013, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Who's going to pay for it?
The money fairy. That's who pays for everything.
Today that money fairy is Ben Bernanke and his printing press.
If we don't have the money then Ben just creates some for us.
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Old 03-25-2013, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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And under ObamaCare, a panel of unqualified bureaucrats with political ties to the president will be in charge of that treatment. I certainly trust the free market system, where I am free to go elsewhere, over the government that can punish me with the full force of the government behind them.
Is this your favorite lie?
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Old 03-25-2013, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I wouldn't worry too much about this "panel" because they aren't getting any money from Congress to meet
This HealthCare Workforce Commission will turn out like the Jobs Committee that never met.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/25/he...ting.html?_r=0
But a 15-member commission created to investigate the problem has never met in two and a half years because it has no money from Congress or the administration.
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Members of the independent nonpartisan panel said they wanted to address these questions: How many more doctors are needed? What is the right mix of primary care physicians and specialists? Who will care for the millions of people gaining Medicaid coverage next year?
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Members of the panel, appointed in September 2010 by the comptroller general of the United States, have no staff, no budget and no agenda.
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Old 03-25-2013, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Here
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Members of the panel, appointed in September 2010 by the comptroller general of the United States, have no staff, no budget and no agenda.

But the Bots' sure ate that up didn't they? "He formed a job council. This guy is really looking after us all".
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Old 03-25-2013, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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But the Bots' sure ate that up didn't they? "He formed a job council. This guy is really looking after us all".
Their problem is they don't follow up. They don't see how it turns out.

I followed up on the high risk pools..ran out of money in 1/2 the time and the cost is twice national average.
I also followed the creation of this panel..they never met.

Government programs are too big to work, too be to be efficient, too big to save money.
No government run program has reigned in costs. If anything it proves the opposite..costs skyrocket when the government steps in "to help".

And the subsidy is in the form of a "advance refundable tax credit" and provided even if you have no tax liability.
That one should prove quite interesting to resolve by the IRS since they have to wait 16 months to rectify it with your return.
The IRS will not see anything regarding 2014 subsidies until 2015 when people submit their returns.
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:08 AM
 
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Their problem is they don't follow up. They don't see how it turns out.

I followed up on the high risk pools..ran out of money in 1/2 the time and the cost is twice national average.
I also followed the creation of this panel..they never met.

Government programs are too big to work, too be to be efficient, too big to save money.
No government run program has reigned in costs. If anything it proves the opposite..costs skyrocket when the government steps in "to help".
I was reading about the high risk pools earlier. Apparently, the people in those programs have very high bills and need care immediately. The average bill per person in the pool cost $4 million.
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I was reading about the high risk pools earlier. Apparently, the people in those programs have very high bills and need care immediately. The average bill per person in the pool cost $4 million.
And in October they will be moved over to the regular pools when enrollment opens.
High risk will not be segregated and their cost spread out over everyone's cost.
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Old 03-25-2013, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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One other thing I'd like to toss out there. I've talked with several people from Canada and one family who happened to buy the house next door to me who moved from the U.S. to Canada then came back had quite a bit to say on the UHC system there.
One thing that surprised me was when they said that health care accessibility was wholly dependent on where you lived.
Are you saying that every podunk town in the US has a state-of-the-art hospital? Of course it depends on where you live. There are some instances here where the patients in the boonies are sent across the border for care and the governmant pays for it because it's cheaper than building a new hospital, with new MRI machines, etc.
All I'm seeing here are Obama-haters foaming at the mouth. If the republicans insitituted the same Romneycare, they'd be all for it.
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