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Old 04-09-2013, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Earth Wanderer, longing for the stars.
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Have you seen all the billions of taxpayer dollars 0bama has wasted on failed and bankrupt green energy loans and subsides??? We taxpayers need to tell our government to get out of the green energy corporate cronyism business
We have been subsidizing fossil fuels for decades throughout all their huge profit years and even now. That is a LOT of bucks.
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Old 04-09-2013, 04:28 PM
 
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China, although probably the world's largest polluter, is trying to turn that around - even China recognizes the value of alternative energy.

The country is expected to surpass Germany to become the largest solar market by installing as much as 5.39 gigawatts of photovoltaic panels this year

China unveils big renewable energy ambitions for 2013
Move to China. Be sure to protest a lot too. I hear it works wonders there and they even sometimes consider slowing down the tanks before they run you over.
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Old 04-09-2013, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Earth Wanderer, longing for the stars.
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Move to China. Be sure to protest a lot too. I hear it works wonders there and they even sometimes consider slowing down the tanks before they run you over.
Why are you so bitter?
Well, that's off topic, I guess.

My point is that as insensitive as China is, it manages to see the problems created by fossil fuel, and so do many other countries. It is in the US, the bellweather of democracy, that we are dragging our feet. It is shameful that so many in our government cave to businesses that are clearly bad for the people of our great nation.
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Old 04-09-2013, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Volunteer State
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I don't think anyone would argue against trying to get off fossil fuels. Pretty much everyone knows that eventually they are going to run out or become so rare as to be too expensive to buy. As a national security measure it would also be a wonderful thing to be energy-independent. And, yes, during this time as the fossil fuels running out, we need to be doing everything we can to find alternative fuel sources. We also need to be doing something about how our nation's infrastructure and public transportation.

But these are all topics for another thread. The major issue is whether all of our transportation and energy issues are actually causing catastrophic damage to our climate.

Some effect? Maybe.
Catastrophic? Highly doubt it.
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Old 04-09-2013, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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Climate change? Oh yes, it is a fact.
Global Warming? I find that a little harder to believe, especially when the WEATHER has been running about 30 degrees below average temperatures. Yes, I know, that is WEATHER, not climate.
Unless, of course, the WEATHER is WARMER than usual, then it is proof of global warming.
Sorry, you can't have it both ways!
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Old 04-09-2013, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Austin
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I don't think anyone would argue against trying to get off fossil fuels. Pretty much everyone knows that eventually they are going to run out or become so rare as to be too expensive to buy. .
Yes. In about 200 years.... unless more are discovered.
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Old 04-09-2013, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Austin
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My point is that as insensitive as China is, it manages to see the problems created by fossil fuel, and so do many other countries. .
What problems are those?
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Old 04-09-2013, 07:42 PM
 
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Why are you so bitter?
Well, that's off topic, I guess.

My point is that as insensitive as China is, it manages to see the problems created by fossil fuel, and so do many other countries. It is in the US, the bellweather of democracy, that we are dragging our feet. It is shameful that so many in our government cave to businesses that are clearly bad for the people of our great nation.

Move there then. Buh bye!
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Old 04-09-2013, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Austin
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It is in the US, the bellweather of democracy, that we are dragging our feet. It is shameful that so many in our government cave to businesses that are clearly bad for the people of our great nation.
Yes, I agree. A good example is Obama giving 535 million dollars to Solyndra.

It is bad for our people for idiots like Obama to take our hard earned tax dollars and give them to his buddies for wasted green initiatives.
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Old 04-10-2013, 04:44 AM
 
Location: Volunteer State
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Yes. In about 200 years.... unless more are discovered.

I'm reasonably certain that more will be discovered, so 200 years is probably an underestimation. Which shold give industry, reserch insitiutes, universities and venture capitalists enough time to develop the technologies necessary to live without oil. I think most are arguing for this to happen sooner rather than later. I personally would like it much sooner, mainly for national security measures and energy-independence.

During this time, the automotive industry should be - and probably already are - working on fuel and exhaust efficiency. There's nothing wrong with trying to keep what we've got clean. Pollution, at the very least, is an eyesore. At the worst, it can be harmful. Harmful enough to cause global climate change and catastrophe? Nah. So, I have no problem with pollution regulations so as long as they don't interfere with a smoothly functioning economy.
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