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Old 06-05-2013, 08:43 AM
 
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please explain how this is so.

do you consider the intensive human manipulation that produced this:


from this:


to be a 'natural process'/ 'natural evolution'?

That is like comparing a midget to a center in the NBA to argue for human cloning. You just have no idea what you are talking about.
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Old 06-05-2013, 08:50 AM
 
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what is 'poison' to an insect is not necessarily 'poison' to humans. the proteins used for insect control in GMO plants are so specific that they're even harmless to a great many types of insects, much less humans and other mammals.
No but they sure are destroying a perfectly good natural pesticide much like we have used and abused antibiotics. By over use we now have lots of BT resistance. This is why you don't kill everything off in a mono-culture. And no its not poisoning us now, but may certainly starve us in the future. Gyphosate resistant crops just means more gyphosate dumped into the environment. When that gets to toxic levels, and doesn't work anymore they will need to use something else. Guess what? Just like with antibiotics we will turn to the ones more poisonous and with more side effects.

What we should be doing is crop rotation, mixed culture, pest suppression, not eradication, natural biological control etc. Monsanto is just the usual quick fix, magic bullet bull crap all over again. Drink sewer water and pop a pill. Not going to last, sorry. Cultural practices first and chemicals last.
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Old 06-05-2013, 08:54 AM
 
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The corn has co-evolved with humans.
Not when the West got hold of it. They sort of forgot the lye processing, fermenting or use of lime water, wood ash to free up the niacin. killed lots of people horribly. Called nixtamalization.
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Old 06-05-2013, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Do you know of a good resource or guide to follow for someone trying not to toxin their bodies with GMO crap?
I know that it is nearly impossible to avoid in soy and corn products. Someone once said the UPC codes identify products as GMO but I'm not sure how true that is.
Pretty near impossible now.
Almost all soy is GMO.

Corn is wind pollinated and way too many farmers are growing "ethanol" year after year because of profits.

When I lived near Austin I could not grow any corn because the corn field behind me was GMO corn.
I buy corn in season off the back of a truck from other farmers who know what is growing around them.

HFCS is in almost every product on supermarket shelves.

GMO Free Food List
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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No but they sure are destroying a perfectly good natural pesticide much like we have used and abused antibiotics. By over use we now have lots of BT resistance. This is why you don't kill everything off in a mono-culture. And no its not poisoning us now, but may certainly starve us in the future. Gyphosate resistant crops just means more gyphosate dumped into the environment. When that gets to toxic levels, and doesn't work anymore they will need to use something else. Guess what? Just like with antibiotics we will turn to the ones more poisonous and with more side effects.

What we should be doing is crop rotation, mixed culture, pest suppression, not eradication, natural biological control etc. Monsanto is just the usual quick fix, magic bullet bull crap all over again. Drink sewer water and pop a pill. Not going to last, sorry. Cultural practices first and chemicals last.
Instead they are opting for stronger herbicides/pesticides.
The weeds have built up a resistance so now farmers are spraying twice as much roundup now than they did before. Seems this experiment didn't turn out so well in the long run.


2,4-D is replacing roundup. This corn is being developed by Dow Chemical.

2,4-D is so potent that you need a state pesticide license to purchase.

UPDATE 1-Dow's controversial new GMO corn delayed amid protests | Reuters
Dow wants to roll out Enlist corn, and then soybeans and cotton to be used in combination with its new Enlist herbicide that combines the weed-killers 2,4-D and glyphosate. The Enlist crops are genetically altered to tolerate treatments of the Enlist herbicide mixture. The hope is that Enlist will wipe out an explosion of crop-choking weeds that have become resistant to glyphosate alone.

Opponents have bombarded Dow and U.S. regulators with an array of concerns about Enlist, which is intended to replace Monsanto Co.'s successful Roundup Ready system. Genetically altered Roundup Ready corn and soybeans now dominate the U.S. corn and soybean market.
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Dow's Enlist herbicide is also controversial because 2,4-D, or 2,4-Dichlorophenoxyacetic acid, was one of the ingredients in Agent Orange, the Vietnam War defoliant that was blamed for numerous health problems suffered during and after the war.
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Seed and food have been genetically modified for serious decades. It will probably take many generations to determine if there is an impact.

In the meantime, there is no reason why consumers should not be aware of what they are eating. Heck, even China requires labeling.
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Old 06-05-2013, 05:53 PM
 
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When did GMOs hit the market & when did the sharp rise in Autism begin?
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Old 06-05-2013, 05:56 PM
 
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When did GMOs hit the market & when did the sharp rise in Autism begin?
And also a rise in food allergies.
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Old 06-05-2013, 06:02 PM
 
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And also a rise in food allergies.
Our bodies haven't evolved with the changes in genetic make-up of these Frankenfoods. No wonder there are SO many health problems these days.
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Old 06-05-2013, 06:04 PM
 
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Instead they are opting for stronger herbicides/pesticides.
The weeds have built up a resistance so now farmers are spraying twice as much roundup now than they did before. Seems this experiment didn't turn out so well in the long run.


2,4-D is replacing roundup. This corn is being developed by Dow Chemical.

2,4-D is so potent that you need a state pesticide license to purchase.

UPDATE 1-Dow's controversial new GMO corn delayed amid protests | Reuters
Dow wants to roll out Enlist corn, and then soybeans and cotton to be used in combination with its new Enlist herbicide that combines the weed-killers 2,4-D and glyphosate. The Enlist crops are genetically altered to tolerate treatments of the Enlist herbicide mixture. The hope is that Enlist will wipe out an explosion of crop-choking weeds that have become resistant to glyphosate alone.

Opponents have bombarded Dow and U.S. regulators with an array of concerns about Enlist, which is intended to replace Monsanto Co.'s successful Roundup Ready system. Genetically altered Roundup Ready corn and soybeans now dominate the U.S. corn and soybean market.
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Dow's Enlist herbicide is also controversial because 2,4-D, or 2,4-Dichlorophenoxyacetic acid, was one of the ingredients in Agent Orange, the Vietnam War defoliant that was blamed for numerous health problems suffered during and after the war.

I did not even know but already guessed. Its nothing new. 2,4-D is nasty crap. They will poison us all.
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