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Old 03-22-2016, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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It is completely legitimate. It's a pact that you are too afraid to break and bring your band of like-minded individuals with you to start your own way of life.
A pact requires mutual consent. How you statists can't understand this is beyond me.

No logical/rational person would ever refute (or ask another to refute) an agreement that never took place.
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Old 03-22-2016, 09:50 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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City-data is a website.
Then you truly don't have a blue print to a solution for your ideals.

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Missing piece...interesting considering it's an essential concept to understanding why property rights are important, which is what most of what I'm talking about boils down to.
As someone mentioned and I'll expand on... .You seem to be pushing for some neo-feudalism mixed with neo-luddism.

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You can say it's legitimate, but can you explain it using any sort of principle? You have to explain how you can give someone else the right to rob me when you never had that right to begin with.
Are you familiar with John Locke and the Enlightenment? Are you familiar with the Social Contract which was based on previous men such as Hobbes and Kant (among others)?
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Old 03-22-2016, 09:52 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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A pact requires mutual consent. How you statists can't understand this is beyond me.

No logical/rational person would ever refute (or ask another to refute) an agreement that never took place.
The Social Contract is what our Founding Fathers (huge liberals during their days generally) believed in.

You are silly in thinking you signed this pact. However, once you turn 18 you are free to leave the "state". But let's be honest, your ilk are too cowardly to leave and would rather complain on city data.
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Old 03-22-2016, 11:08 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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The Social Contract is what our Founding Fathers (huge liberals during their days generally) believed in.

You are silly in thinking you signed this pact. However, once you turn 18 you are free to leave the "state". But let's be honest, your ilk are too cowardly to leave and would rather complain on city data.
The statism is strong with this one.

Leave what? The place you are describing (the state's society) isn't freaking real! It's a social construct.
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Old 03-22-2016, 11:28 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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The statism is strong with this one.

Leave what? The place you are describing (the state's society) isn't freaking real! It's a social construct.
Then decide and live with the consequences with not paying taxes for many years if it isn't "real". Or grow some nads and move away and live without being a part of the social contract.

Again.... much easier to be a coward and complain than adapt.
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Old 03-22-2016, 11:38 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Then decide and live with the consequences with not paying taxes for many years if it isn't "real". Or grow some nads and move away and live without being a part of the social contract.

Again.... much easier to be a coward and complain than adapt.
Where should I move to?

One involuntary state predicates that no one is safe from the whims of the illogical/immoral social contract. The state makes that clear with language scattered about in its funny papers (what you believe to be legal documents).

Why is it so hard to understand that "just following orders" isn't a good enough reason to act in an illogical and immoral way?
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Old 03-22-2016, 11:49 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Where should I move to?
Throw a dart on a world map? Don't aim for the coast because that's where the majority of the population lives.

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One involuntary state predicates that no one is safe from the whims of the illogical/immoral social contract. The state makes that clear with language scattered about in its funny papers (what you believe to be legal documents).
Again... Easier to complain than to take action.

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Why is it so hard to understand that "just following orders" isn't a good enough reason to act in an illogical and immoral way?


...it's tough being in a society.

Leave then.... If you can stomach it.

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Old 03-22-2016, 11:53 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Throw a dart on a world map? Don't aim for the coast because that's where the majority of the population lives.



Again... Easier to complain than to take action.





...it's tough being in a society.

Leave then.... If you can stomach it.
Don't you believe in yourself over a fictional entity?

What has led you to such a pass?
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Old 03-23-2016, 12:06 AM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Don't you believe in yourself over a fictional entity?

What has led you to such a pass?
Government is simply made up of people. People are real. You certainly aren't complaining about being able to voice your opinion over a completely man made medium. I'm sure without the "state" such a thing would come into existence.
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Old 03-23-2016, 09:38 AM
 
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Don't you believe in yourself over a fictional entity?

What has led you to such a pass?
Maturity.
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