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You are a master of lies. The ban of 100W incandescent light bulbs comes out of the "green" so-called "movement" which is leftist extremism all the way.
Back in 2007, when the legislation was passed, it was not very controversial. It was even supported by bulb manufacturers.
The idea that energy conservation is "leftist extremism" is mind-numbing. It was a concept supported by Republican President Gerald Ford and many other Republicans, before the GOP lost its mind.
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And, since when do the Democrats support freedom, and honor the Constitution? Never! If they did, we wouldn't have ObamCare thrust on us (shoved down our throats) under the cover of darkness, with little debate, and no one having even read the bill (under the advise of Nancy Pelosi, who famously stated, "We have to pass this bill; then we will find out what's in it." Does that sound like "honoring" the Constitution? That sounds like tyranny to me.
Using one's majority to form legislation is what democracy is all about. While the other side may contend that it is sleazy, it certainly isn't unconstitutional. If you disagree, what section of the constitution does it violate?
Besides, where were you when the Republican House schedules a 15-minute vote on the passage of Medicare Part "D" which at the end of that 15-minutes, the Democrats won but the Republican leadership froze the clock for three hours while they desperately whipped defectors -- which included bribing Rep. Nick Smith to vote for the legislation or his son wouldn't get support for the race he was running.
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You dare to say the GOP is "completely against" the Constitution? Have you not heard of the what the Democrats are attempting to do to the Second Amendment, while the Republicans defend it?
Once again, the 2nd Amendment's meaning is far from clear. It contains competing ideas, such as "the right of the people" but also "well regulated militia."
To contend that the 2nd Amendment means that the government cannot pass a law preventing a citizen from owning an anti-tank firearm is constitutional illiteracy. The courts have already ruled that banning sawed off shotguns are not a violation of the 2nd.
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Do Republicans not stand up for the First Amendment, while Democrats want to force churches and business people who want to run their businesses in accordance with their religious convictions, to distribute birth control and abortifacients to employees via their health insurance plans?
Surely, you must be blind!
No, you are ideologically blind. In Employment Division v. Smith (1990), the SCOTUS ruled that religious liberty is insufficient grounds for being exempt from laws. In this case they said Oregon may deny unemployment benefits to people who were fired for consuming peyote, as the drug was illegal in the state, even though smoking peyote was part of their religious tradition. The SCOTUS also ruled that Jewish soldiers cannot wear skull caps, part of their religion, while on duty.
Justice Scalia once wrote: “To permit this [evading laws on First Amendment grounds] would be to make the professed doctrines of religious belief superior to the law of the land, and in effect to permit every citizen to become a law unto himself.”
To contend that a business owner can hide behind religious faith to violate laws of the land has never been upheld.
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Is it not the Democrat Party that is making an all out attack on freedom of speech, with attempts to silence any criticism of Islam (recall the attacks on Michele Bachmann in reguards to the letter signed by five Congressmen, including Bachmann, sent to several Inspectors General)? Hillary Clinton has also spoken openly about speech that is offensive to Muslims (of course, she does not extend her sympathy to attacks on the Christian faith).
Your Party, Sir, is the Anti-Constitution Party. To make the claim that it is the Democrat Party, not the Republican Party that defends the Constitution is an egregious lie!
I have no idea what incident with Bachmann you are referring.
However, I do remember the Terry Schiavo case, in which the husband of a brain-dead woman, Terry Schiavo, wanted to remove life-support. Conservatives objected. Court after court in Florida supported the husband, even the Florida Supreme Court. Not satisfied, conservatives ran to the Republican controlled Congress, who passed a special law, that President Bush flew to Washington to sign, yanking jurisdiction to federal authorities. Where was the conservative appreciation of the Tenth Amendment?
Likewise, although conservatives say they want government not to interfere with the individual, they are bending over backwards in Republican controlled states, to pass bills that are highly intrusive on women and hostile to abortion providers -- weaving complicated rules that are intended as a back-door affront to abortion.
I see the radical right wing brainwashing has gotten to you. Suddenly W didn't sign the light bulb bill?
Is their a line item veto? No.
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The GOP passed and supports the patriot act, which is likely the most anti-freedom and anti-constitution bill in US history.
Does the Democrat Party support the Patriot Act? Yes.
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The GOP supports and created the DHS, a huge government and massive spending agency to watch over us and impede on our privacy.
Did the Democrat Party oppose the creation of the DHS? No. Did they vote for it? Yes. Bipartisan support!
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The GOP tries to force huge government and anti-freedom legislation down our throats to force women to tell them what they can and can't do with their own bodies.
While the Democats ignore the rights of innocent babies, depriving them of the most basic of rights, the right to life. The right to choose to have sex comes before a child is conceived. Once conceived, killing the child is committing the crime of murder.
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The GOP tries to force huge government and anti-freedom legislation to attack gays.
Like what, for instance?
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The GOP tries to force huge government and anti-freedom legislation by forcing prayer in schools.
While the Democrats violate the First Amendment by attempting to block prayer in schools, even the right of students to pray before a meal, or carry a Bible with them. Have you ever read the Northwest Ordinance? There is no Constitutional prohibition against prayer in public places, even schools, which originally quite often shared the church building to use as a classroom. You do not know history.
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The GOP tries to force huge government and anti-freedom on the nation with their religious nonsense and I'm just getting started.
And what "religious nonsense" would that be? Because you are (apparently) an atheist, does not give you the right to prohibit the free exercise of religion by others, or have it removed from public view, display, etc. That is tyranny by the minority.
Religion, and freedom of religion, is a protected right, and nowhere is it banned in the Constitution from being exercised anywhere, including the classroom.
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Today's radical right GOP and teabaggers are the face of fascism that are hell bent on destroying the nation. They can go to hell or to their dream utopia of Iran, their choice
Fascism, as defined in the dictionary is "standing for a centralized, autocratic, often milataristic government," the very thing the Obama administration stands for. The Obama administration and the current Democrat Party, epitomize fascism. And as for a Utopian dream, that is what Progressivism is all about.
You are so full of it you can't even recognize your own hypocricy.
I think ALL government is the imposition of the tyranny of the many on the few. Mostly because the few would impose the tyranny of themselves on the many.
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While the Democrats violate the First Amendment by attempting to block prayer in schools, even the right of students to pray before a meal, or carry a Bible with them. Have you ever read the Northwest Ordinance? There is no Constitutional prohibition against prayer in public places, even schools, which originally quite often shared the church building to use as a classroom. You do not know history.
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What you said is false.
The Supreme Court in 1962 blocked school-led prayer in school as a violation of the establishment clause of the 1st Amendment. Democrats were not involved and I support that ruling. There is no law that prohibits a student from praying on their own before a meal, none. The existence of such is only in right-wing folk-law and myth.
The problem is that you cannot distinguish between school-required prayer and private individual prayer.
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Fascism, as defined in the dictionary is "standing for a centralized, autocratic, often milataristic government," the very thing the Obama administration stands for. The Obama administration and the current Democrat Party, epitomize fascism. And as for a Utopian dream, that is what Progressivism is all about.
You are so full of it you can't even recognize your own hypocricy.
You are pron to hyperbole and hide behind vague generalities that lack specifics to analyze. How, exactly, is the Democratic Party fascism? If it really was you wouldn't be allowed to post these absurd comments.
Bush was the most conservative president in a century. If he was such a progressive why was it that the right-wing fawned all over him, provided political cover and defended him overwhelmingly?
Bush was a progressive. There are and have been progressives in both parties for a century.
You get too wrapped up in D vs R.
One day, someone may come to power who will take the precedent set by the progressives before them and stomp all over one of your perceived rights.
For instance, force everyone to have health insurance.....lefties scream "hip-hip hooray!"
What if someday someone forces HIV carriers to carry some sort of "scarlet letter" defining themselves as a carrier?
Don't think it can't happen.
BTW.....I NEVER hear constitutional arguments on anything from the left.
W was a progressive?
W and his admin were the face of what happens when radical right wing fascist tyranny has their way, the complete destruction of america.
Oh, I'm going to tell you a little secret,...
Spoiler
The ACA is just Willard's (your dream boy you voted for's) Romneycare. The GOP also has been calling for years for an individual mandate. "Obamacare" is simply "GOPcare"
Sorry, but the OP's argument is silly. Individual rights should always be upheld unless they cause harm to others. You don't get to yell fire in a crowded theater. You can't dump chemicals in the water, etc. No one is trying to take away all guns--just have a debate and try to hammer out policy that deals with issues of gun safety in our communities.
There are plenty people trying to take away all guns, you can give up on that lie.
Well, it sure took you long enough to notice, but even a belated thanks is better than none. I guess.
OK, deal! We'll continue to allow women to make decisions about their own health care, including reproductive health care, in consultation with their own doctors and without the interference of mindless zealots.
No more taxpayer money being used for women's healthcare? Sounds great. Should save you women tons of money.
In return, men such as yourself will pay whatever outrageous prices the insurance industry, along with its side-kicks big pharma and the rest of the medical/industrial complex, choose to impose. If your employer doesn't offer health insurance or if you have a pre-existing condition or come down with a catastrophic illness, don't you worry. We'll let you guys duke it out with the AMA with absolutely no interference from us chicks - liberal or otherwise. And if anyone from the gubermint shows up with so much as an aspirin and tries to sneak in to help you... Well, let's just say that hell hath no fury like a woman holding up her side of her bargain to see that NO ONE stands by HER man!
Are you saying no interference in the health industry by the government at all? That sounds perfect. Prices would probablyyy drop about 80% and almost everyone could afford basic care themselves. Just get some catastrophic insurance and everyone is set.
Now, about that life insurance policy... Well, you won't have to worry about gubermint doing anything in that regard, either. The little women will make sure ya'll sign on the dotted line in plenty of time. And go on in and take a snooze in front of that football game on the cable. I'm sure ya'll are plumb worn out coming up with these wonderful ideas and being an alpha guy who don't want nothing from no one...
Yes... us wimmen folks will just tiptoe off now with that cute Thomas Jefferson guy who talks about REPRESENTATIVE government to us - something you seem to have forgotten about, what with being so worried about rolling over for all those mean pharmaceutical companies rampaging around out there...
Yes, Thomas Jefferson supported government control of healthcare. I mean, read anything he wrote. He was always talking about how the government should interfere in everyone's lives making everything more expensive and everyone less free.
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