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Old 03-31-2013, 08:58 AM
 
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They have been fighting for hundreds, if not thousands, of years before we went over there. They will be fighting for hundreds of years to come.
That is a poor excuse to invade a country.
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Old 03-31-2013, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Default Why We Really Invaded Iraq

Look no further than who benefited for the answer.
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Old 03-31-2013, 09:09 AM
 
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Remember how VP Dick Cheney tried to intimate that Iraq was responsible for the anthrax attacks immediately after 9/11?

Then Robert Mueller's corrupt FBI tried to make Dr. Steven Hatfill the patsy for the attack.

Exonerated anthrax suspect: FBI harassed me - TODAY News - TODAY.com

That ended up costing the American taxpayer $4,600,000 in damages to Mr. Hatfill. The whole thing seems so surreal now.
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Old 03-31-2013, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Columbus, OH
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It wasn't about WMD's, it wasn't about taking the oil - it was about keeping the oil in the ground. Saddam was planning on flooding the market with oil and nationalizing it. That would have made the price of a barrel go way down, put a crimp on OPEC, and hurt the Saudi's.

Ah, now it makes sense what Obama and his admin have done, in not allowing any drilling to speak of in the U.S. It has nothing to do with the environment, that's just a cover. They are protecting OPEC. As long as we are dependent on foreign oil, and the price goes up, that is exactly where they want us to be. It's all under the power brokers' control.



Greg Palast | Investigative Reporter

Whoever the next stooge is, in the White House, will continue to erode the sovereignty of this country. The globalists rule through the UN, International Treaties, and NATO now. The peoples representatives in Congress have little to say about anything significant, this day forward.
This doesn't make sense for one reason. How would Iraq make money if the market was flooded and prices dropped? What's the upside for Iraq doing that?

We went into Kuwait because if Iraq had control of all the oil there and in Iraq they could effectively control the world markets. They would have a large percentage of the world's supply. The fear was they would restrict oil production (not much, but enough) to increase prices, sending Western Civilization into a recession or even depression. Plus, it would have given Iraq too much power at the U.N. and what not. Can't have that.

Iraq was talking about dropping the dollar as the exchange currency for oil after 9/11. They were going to switch to the Euro if I remember right. Since there isn't really anything to back the dollar besides oil the U.S. economy would collapse if countries began doing this. We went in to protect the dollar. Whenever one of these third world countries talk about dropping the dollar we start our sabre rattling. Though we don't normally need to take military action to the degree we did in Iraq. A few well placed bombs does the trick.
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Old 03-31-2013, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Northern CA
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And exposed the worst side of America.

Doctors of the Dark Side Trailer - a Documentary Film by Martha Davis - YouTube

Dear God, please have mercy on our souls.
From what I've read torture continues at Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, along with an active extraordinary rendition policy. The secrecy has just increased. Even those that are finally released don't want to speak of their experience, for fear they will be sent back.
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Old 03-31-2013, 09:46 AM
 
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From what I've read torture continues at Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, along with an active extraordinary rendition policy. The secrecy has just increased. Even those that are finally released don't want to speak of their experience, for fear they will be sent back.
Word has leaked out from prominent US sources that the torture of prisoners went far beyond waterboarding and even included mock executions.

Is this the United States of America that we want to be? Are these the actions of 'one nation under God'?

Here in my home State of North Carolina some brave souls are standing up for what's right.

TEDxNCSU - Dr. Christina Cowger - The Spider's Web and the Net of Accountability - YouTube
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Old 03-31-2013, 11:44 AM
 
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This doesn't make sense for one reason. How would Iraq make money if the market was flooded and prices dropped? What's the upside for Iraq doing that?

We went into Kuwait because if Iraq had control of all the oil there and in Iraq they could effectively control the world markets. They would have a large percentage of the world's supply. The fear was they would restrict oil production (not much, but enough) to increase prices, sending Western Civilization into a recession or even depression. Plus, it would have given Iraq too much power at the U.N. and what not. Can't have that.

Iraq was talking about dropping the dollar as the exchange currency for oil after 9/11. They were going to switch to the Euro if I remember right. Since there isn't really anything to back the dollar besides oil the U.S. economy would collapse if countries began doing this. We went in to protect the dollar. Whenever one of these third world countries talk about dropping the dollar we start our sabre rattling. Though we don't normally need to take military action to the degree we did in Iraq. A few well placed bombs does the trick.
PetroDollar or PetroEuro?

The banks don't care, but some folks do.

The banks care quite a bit about PetroGold, though. Libya would be the case in point.
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Old 03-31-2013, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Word has leaked out from prominent US sources that the torture of prisoners went far beyond waterboarding and even included mock executions.

Is this the United States of America that we want to be? Are these the actions of 'one nation under God'?

Here in my home State of North Carolina some brave souls are standing up for what's right.

TEDxNCSU - Dr. Christina Cowger - The Spider's Web and the Net of Accountability - YouTube
Sounds good and I suppose they will continue to let her speak, as long as she keeps her finger pointed backward at Bush, and not what is presently happening today under Obama reign.
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Old 03-31-2013, 01:33 PM
 
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It was all about oil, alright. Big oil.
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Old 03-31-2013, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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More than $200 billion has been spent on private contractors in the last decade, reports Reuters, with $34 billion of it going to waste. Out of that funding, more than 200,000 private workers were being added to the US payroll. That statistic is more than double the amount of troops that the US ever sent to Afghanistan.
The Commission on Wartime Contracting report will not officially be released until later this summer, but a person familiar with the study has spoken to Reuters on the condition on anonymity.
US wastes $34 billion in Iraq and Afghanistan ? RT USA

Looks like that report won't be released afterall, it's classified now.

The Commission has been at work for three years, revealing that up to $60 billion in US war funds were lost due to waste, fraud, and abuse. One report concluded that “criminal behavior and blatant corruption” were directly responsible for much of the waste in the expensive “reconstruction”projects in Iraq and Afghanistan since 2002. It also found that one in every six contracting and grant dollars spent in Iraq and Afghanistan has been wasted.
But the Commission now says it won’t allow its full records to be opened to the public at the National Archives until 2031, because, according to one official, some of the documents contain “sensitive information.” Evidence of government theft, profligacy, criminality, and waste is indeed sensitive information. That revealing these things was the purpose of the Commission seems lost on those deciding to hide important information from Americans.
Wartime Contracting Commission Classifies Findings for Next 20 Years -- News from Antiwar.com
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