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Seems to me that we have been racing to the bottom for years. In the classic battle of labor and capital, labor has rolled over. Now we cheer about cutting the minimum wage, busting unions, fawning over the super wealthy,etc. But here is the thing. When workers earn a decent wage, they spend it. Much more of our money recirculates when workers are fairly paid, and the economy is healthier and more productive. Right now we are in a race for the bottom, where the workers relative wealth and health are stagnant or declining, job security is shattered, and we paper over that with low priced junk from Wal-Mart, Dollar Stores, and food stamps for the working poor.
Admittedly, paying labor more raises prices, but guess what? We are the most innovative country in the world. Why can't we appeal to the achievement drive of our employees. They want to do world class work, not produce cheap schlock. Why not ask them to do world class work, rather than work long hours for peanuts? The Germans do this, and they do it well. This will only come from the will of the people, and a respect for the drive and creativity of the workers.
When folks go from millionaires to billionaires, I think their achievement focus declines. They might have wanted to do something worthwhile at one point, but eventually it becomes ALL about aggregating wealth. That attitude is not what made America great. It is a pathology. A thirst for real innovation and achievement has always been more important than pure greed. Our workers can beat our capitalist overlords at that anytime, and when we invest in the worker, the country leads the world. The last century has shown this plainly. Tax cuts for the rich, in contrast, do almost nothing, except fund lobbyists and Super Pacs.
It is amazing, that for all of their words, the conservative argument on this issue is that workers shouldn't get more of the pie.
This is their official position. Through all the justifications and word vomit, the conservative position is that workers shouldn't get more of the pie.
Even if you own a business, your a slave to your suppliers and/or many other factors. Small businesses (the type everyone is recommended) are going to have no significant impact on the economy as a whole or the price of goods as a whole. We are dependent upon many other prices that are set.
"Even if you own a business, your a slave to your suppliers and/or many other factors."
Exactly. Wages will increase when the owner feels it is best for him/her and he can afford it.
MOST good owners value their employees and will do anything they can to keep them happy.
A happy employee is a much better worker.
It costs a lot to go through the hiring proces. You don't want to hire someone, invest in them then have to fire them and go through the hiring process again.
Then you have to take the time to train them. They are worth noting, in fact they are a liability, until they are trained to be able to perform their work without direct supervision.
An employer CANNOT just raise wages willy-nily just to make someone not even associated with his business happy.
On a personal side, even though we don't agree on many things, I like your forum name. I had a '64
It is amazing, that for all of their words, the conservative argument on this issue is that workers shouldn't get more of the pie.
This is their official position. Through all the justifications and word vomit, the conservative position is that workers shouldn't get more of the pie.
Amazing.
conservatives hate.
People absolutely deserve a larger slice of the pie, if they can prove they deserve it.
With all due respect, you have the most hateful attitude of anyone on this thread. Your blind hatred for anyone conservative is the kind of blind hatred that most of us cannot relate to. Many liberals I know have very good points and deserve an enormous amount of respect.
Your inability to separate hated from your blind partisanship is exactly the anger fueled, hate filled attitude that is sinking this country. You should be ashamed.
Seems to me that we have been racing to the bottom for years. In the classic battle of labor and capital, labor has rolled over. Now we cheer about cutting the minimum wage, busting unions, fawning over the super wealthy,etc. But here is the thing. When workers earn a decent wage, they spend it. Much more of our money recirculates when workers are fairly paid, and the economy is healthier and more productive. Right now we are in a race for the bottom, where the workers relative wealth and health are stagnant or declining, job security is shattered, and we paper over that with low priced junk from Wal-Mart, Dollar Stores, and food stamps for the working poor.
Admittedly, paying labor more raises prices, but guess what? We are the most innovative country in the world. Why can't we appeal to the achievement drive of our employees. They want to do world class work, not produce cheap schlock. Why not ask them to do world class work, rather than work long hours for peanuts? The Germans do this, and they do it well. This will only come from the will of the people, and a respect for the drive and creativity of the workers.
When folks go from millionaires to billionaires, I think their achievement focus declines. They might have wanted to do something worthwhile at one point, but eventually it becomes ALL about aggregating wealth. That attitude is not what made America great. It is a pathology. A thirst for real innovation and achievement has always been more important than pure greed. Our workers can beat our capitalist overlords at that anytime, and when we invest in the worker, the country leads the world. The last century has shown this plainly. Tax cuts for the rich, in contrast, do almost nothing, except fund lobbyists and Super Pacs.
You're absolutely 100% not wrong with any of this, and any economist worth his salt knows this perfectly well, but try to convince the men on the Forbes 400 list - you know, the men who actually own and operate this country. They like things just the way they are. As a practical matter, this is why nothing substantive or "big" ever (or rarely) happens in this country. If they all felt the way you did, it would change practically overnight.
It is amazing, that for all of their words, the conservative argument on this issue is that workers shouldn't get more of the pie.
This is their official position. Through all the justifications and word vomit, the conservative position is that workers shouldn't get more of the pie.
Amazing.
conservatives hate.
And we'd all have more of the pie if workers today stuck together like they use to. Things like sick pay, vacation time they just weren't just given from the goodness of employers hearts, we demanded them. Workers literally got beat fighting for the things these people take for granted today.
Sorry i didn't see those black and white stripes on your shirt.
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