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Nope, conservative thinking exists because people value its principles. Just because someone else may have values different from a conservative doesn't mean the conservative is wrong or has to change his belief and values systems to grow. In fact, if the conservative is happy with his life, no growth is required.
When it comes to politics, I don't accept the premise that liberal=growth and modernism and that conservative=no change or advancement.
I don't see why the liberal values of raising taxes or wealth redistribution is considered new or modern..it's actually the same old same old.
When it comes to politics, I don't accept the premise that liberal=growth and modernism and that conservative=no change or advancement.
I don't see why the liberal values of raising taxes or wealth redistribution is considered new or modern..it's actually the same old same old.
nice slant...
liberal values embrace change moreso than conservative.. its proven point... but that draws into the question of whether the change is for the good or the better... raising taxes or wealth redistribution is not new or modern you're right.. but the reason for implementing it is to foster programs that bring the society as a whole to a new "progressed" point... rather than just the individual. It is the belief that if america is to really attain greatness, everyone must have access to the greatness, and have the dream available to them, rather than allowing "same old same old" to eventually pigeon hole generations into poverty. Social programs allow people at the lowest demographics to attain greatness. it is not meant to discredit anyone that pulls themselves out of it on their own. It is realistic and accurate that, while anyone who overcomes such obstacles is greatness at its best, MOST in that situation do not overcome such obstacles. And why should someone who is born into such be faced with such uphill battles it is not fair and it is certainly not civilized behaviour to treat it as such either.
People in Oklahoma are indeed nice superficially, and that can be pleasant to be around. OTOH, they do have very parochial attitudes and they can be narrow-minded in their own way. It isn't the easiest place to be gay or non-Christian, for instance. A wildly popular senator there, Coburn, got elected partly by creating a moral panic about lesbianism/homosexuality.
There's also a touch of jejune quaintness there that is kind of creepy, too. Like the people fancy themselves sophisticated just because they have a Starbucks in town, yet they don't own up to the attitudes or prejudices they espouse (like Coburn, whom much of the rest of the country would consider a hairball). It's really an inferiority complex of sorts, they know people like the Coburns are hairballs to most people who don't live there, but they are hoping to distract you with the Starbucks and the museums. As Hannibal Lecter says in The Silence of the Lambs, "You know what you look like to me with your nice purse and cheap shoes? You look like a rube... you're not more than one generation from poor white trash...?" Certainly not everybody in Tulsa or Oklahoma is like that but this jejune attitude I'd say is more common than in other places where people are more image savy.
This post is proof that making negative, condescending judgements and determining the validity of people's level of sophistication, based upon one's own criteria, cuts across all types of political / social thinking.
Even among the most open minded and tolerant.
Image savvy? IMO, the over emphasis on image is why we have this rediculous level of celebrity worship today.
Maybe there should be more concern about being "substance savvy", or "character savvy". That requires too much heavy lifting, I guess.
This post is proof that making negative, condescending judgements and determining the validity of people's level of sophistication, based upon one's own criteria, cuts across all types of political / social thinking.
Even among the most open minded and tolerant.
Image savvy? IMO, the over emphasis on image is why we have this rediculous level of celebrity worship today.
Maybe there should be more concern about being "substance savvy", or "character savvy". That requires too much heavy lifting, I guess.
I think what he's trying to say is that conservative area's feel pressures to seem more liberal and accepting than they really are or want to be, and the best way to do it is to change the subject... and that is by pointing to something progressive about yourself... to distract from what isn't.
It is not socially acceptable to speak out racist comments, but we all know that small groups of people who share the same beliefs make them amongst themselves all the time, yet in an open forum would never admit to such practices...
I think what he's trying to say is that conservative area's feel pressures to seem more liberal and accepting than they really are or want to be, and the best way to do it is to change the subject... and that is by pointing to something progressive about yourself... to distract from what isn't.
It is not socially acceptable to speak out racist comments, but we all know that small groups of people who share the same beliefs make them amongst themselves all the time, yet in an open forum would never admit to such practices...
uh-huh, sure. Well, with a command of the language that allows the use of "jejune" (not once but twice), it's hard to believe that there was no getting away from making his open minded points without using "superficially", "parochial", "narrowminded", "creepy", "rubes" and so on.
It's easy to tell where the poster is coming from.
Social programs allow people at the lowest demographics to attain greatness.
Really? Don't you understand how insulting this is to say that these people need the government to attain greatness? That they require the use of politicians to force others to provide their needs? People who have the potential for greatness will find a way to do it, and be more satisfied, without the help of statist bureaucrats.
Really? Don't you understand how insulting this is to say that these people need the government to attain greatness? That they require the use of politicians to force others to provide their needs? People who have the potential for greatness will find a way to do it, and be more satisfied, without the help of statist bureaucrats.
Good point. We have spent trillions of tax dollars on social programs for poor people. It hasn't led to greatness, instead it has turned poor neighborhoods into crime infested, hell on earth zones. Welfare programs have replaced the father in poor areas..this hasn't been good for anyone.
When it comes to politics, I don't accept the premise that liberal=growth and modernism and that conservative=no change or advancement.
I don't see why the liberal values of raising taxes or wealth redistribution is considered new or modern..it's actually the same old same old.
Amen!
What's more...the sheer condescension and bigotry of liberals toward people who hold traditional, Western-Judæo-Christian values is quite appalling. Hey, where's their "tolerance" and appreciation for "diverse" thinking (other than their own)?
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