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Old 04-03-2013, 09:52 AM
 
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Not true at all.
This would be a good opportunity to explain why.

 
Old 04-03-2013, 09:59 AM
 
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Obama's race has nothing to do with the thread. Leave it up to a liberal to play the race card.
says the man that believes blacks should be considered as property and not as people ( support for the dread scott decision ) as well as believing that blacks can never be considered "natural born citizens".

but if you discount those expressed opinions then i guess it is unfair to label it racist.
 
Old 04-03-2013, 10:03 AM
 
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"Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are "natural born Citizens" for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents."

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Old 04-03-2013, 10:31 AM
 
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This would be a good opportunity to explain why.
Gladly. The Founders and Framers called for a “natural born Citizen,” not a “born citizen” to be president. By using the clause “natural born Citizen,” they informed us that birthright citizenship was reserved only for the children of U.S. citizens. And natural birthright citizenship was reserved only for children born in the United States to citizen parents (plural). That was a “natural born Citizen.” That U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark in 1898 in applying the Fourteenth Amendment, which speaks only about citizenship and not natural born citizenship, created an additional citizen at birth, one born in the U.S. to domiciled alien parents, does not amend the original definition of a “natural born Citizen” which the People adopted as the definition for a would-be President to satisfy. Also, since all were not born to two U.S. citizen parents, but were born in the United States, Barack Obama (who still has not conclusively proven he was born in the U.S.), Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, and Bobby Jindal are "Fourteenth Amendment native born citizens" of the United States, but they cannot be Article II “natural born Citizens.”

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Old 04-03-2013, 10:42 AM
 
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Many disagree with your view and twisted interpretions that that natural born means born to two US citizens.
 
Old 04-03-2013, 11:07 AM
 
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Many disagree with your view and twisted interpretions that that natural born means born to two US citizens.
Many choose to disagree that "natural born" means born to two US citizens in the United States, for purposes of constitutional qualification for the presidency and vice presidency of the United States of America, which give new meaning to "Twist and Shout".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKh5k2cTk7c
 
Old 04-03-2013, 11:29 AM
 
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Words, words, words, words, baseless dribble, and more slightly incoherent stringing together of words... Barack Obama (who still has not conclusively proven he was born in the U.S.),

Blazing Saddles: "The sheriff is a ..." - YouTube
What did you say?
 
Old 04-03-2013, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Not true at all.
Says the guy whose side has lost in court more than 200 times to the guy whose side has won.



Delusion is your natural habitat.
 
Old 04-03-2013, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Gladly. The Founders and Framers called for a “natural born Citizen,” not a “born citizen” to be president.
Since there is no difference... so?
 
Old 04-03-2013, 11:45 AM
 
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Sorry, this is not a 'gotcha'.
Native-born is a subset of natural-born. Obama is natural-born because he was born a US citizen and also native-born because he was born in the USA. McCain was born in Panama and therefore is only natural-born not native-born. Similarly Canadian-born Ted Cruz is just a natural-born not native-born citizen.
"Natural born" is now a lesser of "native born"?

Kinda gives short shrift to "parentage", doesn't it? Especially, national parentage!

"Native-born is a subset of natural-born." You got THAT right!

How born and where born, determine the Dearborn Presidential Qualification.

How born: Of two U.S. citizen parents.

Where born: On U.S. soil.

Obama has improper dualage to the constitutional requirements for president. He was born parentally half British and half American.

My mother worked at the Buick Plant and my father worked at Fisher Body - a proper dualage!

There was never ONE, NOT ONE, of my parents that EVER worked for Chrysler!

The fact that I drive a Ford is immaterial to my status as a Natural Born Flintonian.

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