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Old 05-02-2013, 06:09 AM
 
Location: in a cabin overlooking the mountains
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Originally Posted by workingclasshero View Post
let's see...let's look at all the angles


under 17....a MINOR

a DRUG, that should be REGULATED, being ordered not to be REGULATED

overthe counter...means OUT OF POCKETS COST, as opposed to covered by healht insurance



hmmm...I dont see any victory here for american women
Clearly you do not understand the meaning of the term "regulated."

Just because a drug os available OTC does not mean that it is not regulated.
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If an adult wants to do this, that's one thing, but minor children? We don't even know what this would do to a minor child's body. Everyone's just okay with this? I get it that it's going to prevent unwanted births and abortions, but for a 13 year old girl to be able to go into a Walgreen's and get it over the counter is just okay with everyone?
Yes. As previously stated, the drug is regulated. That means that efficacy and safety have been tested.

And if a 12 year old girl is old enough to get pregnant, her body is not that of a child anymore, at least not as far as hormone production is concerned.

This is a major step for the country.

Fewer teen pregnancies means fewer abortions.

And one of the biggest contributors to poverty is being an unwed teen mother.

Do I understand correctly that conservatives prefer poverty and abortion? Or are we going to trot out the old "abstention" argument, which hasn't worked well at all for the past 5000 years?
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Old 05-02-2013, 06:11 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Clearly you do not understand the meaning of the term "regulated."

Just because a drug os available OTC does not mean that it is not regulated.

Yes. As previously stated, the drug is regulated. That means that efficacy and safety have been tested.

And if a 12 year old girl is old enough to get pregnant, her body is not that of a child anymore, at least not as far as hormone production is concerned.

This is a major step for the country.

Fewer teen pregnancies means fewer abortions.

And one of the biggest contributors to poverty is being an unwed teen mother.

Do I understand correctly that conservatives prefer poverty and abortion? Or are we going to trot out the old "abstention" argument, which hasn't worked well at all for the past 5000 years?
And just where do you think these 12 year olds will get ahold of $50 for the Plan B pill ?
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Old 05-02-2013, 06:26 AM
 
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Clearly you do not understand the meaning of the term "regulated."

Just because a drug os available OTC does not mean that it is not regulated.

Yes. As previously stated, the drug is regulated. That means that efficacy and safety have been tested.

And if a 12 year old girl is old enough to get pregnant, her body is not that of a child anymore, at least not as far as hormone production is concerned.

This is a major step for the country.

Fewer teen pregnancies means fewer abortions.

And one of the biggest contributors to poverty is being an unwed teen mother.

Do I understand correctly that conservatives prefer poverty and abortion? Or are we going to trot out the old "abstention" argument, which hasn't worked well at all for the past 5000 years?
That's like givng the keys to your car to your 12 year old because after all if they really want to drive they will figure out a way to do it anyway.
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Old 05-02-2013, 06:44 AM
 
Location: in a cabin overlooking the mountains
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And just where do you think these 12 year olds will get ahold of $50 for the Plan B pill ?
Where do you think they are going to get thousands of $$ to raise a child alone?
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Old 05-02-2013, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Where do you think they are going to get thousands of $$ to raise a child alone?
Well the next day after unprotected sex does NOT mean you are automatically pregnant.
They still have to come up with $50 regardless.
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Old 05-02-2013, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I, with the help of a friend, figured out how to "drive" when I was 12 so I expect others will figure it out as well. I also figured out that "snow tires" were a good idea. Our parents didn't have a clue.

This pill should be available at cost through the local health department or the school nurse. It will save a lot of embarrassment, grief, needless tears and threats.
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Old 05-02-2013, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Which is one huge problem with not having parents notified when their under-aged kids go to the school nurse to get Plan B or oral contraceptives.

HPV is big deal. Not to mention the rest of the STD's one can catch.

If you aren't aware your kid is having sex before she reaches an age where you would take her to a GYN to start the annual visits, she's never going to know she might have HPV which could turn in to cervical cancer. If left untreated, it could affect her future ability to carry a pregnancy to term. Or worse.

Or does the school/walmart/whatever also offer free exams, diagnosis and solutions to STD's by an MD? GYN services?

Is the school nurse going to give you something when you're leaking out of your pee-pee? Or when you're itching and scratching your head off (southern head)? When weird things appear on your genitals? Without calling Mommy? I don't think so.

There's a lot more to having unprotected sex than a pregnancy. Some of it can affect your life for the rest of your life, and if not caught early enough? You could have severe repercussions.

I do blame parents for not knowing where their kids are and what they are doing. They live under your roof, you need to know everything that they are doing. It's called being a parent. It's your job.

And the condom slipping/breaking thing? Please. Like you can't tell it happened. Stop, get a new one, then get back to it. And how does a condom slip and where does it slip on off to? Someone thought a lot of themselves and bought Magnum when they should have bought Jr. size?

Plan B being available to anyone of any age is one thing. It would be fine if the only result of having sex at an early age, without telling your parents, was a pregnancy. It's not. That's the scary thing. To know that that the government is willing to keep the secrets of children when it could lead to so much more and worse for the same children is irresponsible.
Your whole argument relies on teens and their parents doing what they should do.....and that rarely happens.

FACT: Many teens are going to have sex. FACT: Most of them will not tell their parents.....unless they are outed.....by a pregnancy.

Better they have access to the morning after pill without the parents knowledge than having the parents find out their teen is having sex because the pregnancy is starting to show.

Since so many parents fail at keeping their teens from having sex, fail at properly educating them about sex and STD's, we, as a society, need to make sure teens have the knowledge needed to take care of themselves when it comes to having sex.

We need mandatory sex education in all schools and we need safety nets for those who make unwise choices.

Teen pregnancy takes a huge toll on young lives and society.....we need to take advantage of everything we can to prevent it.....and that includes easy access to the morning after pill.
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Old 05-02-2013, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Thank you! that is what I am talking about the age that each state identities as legal for sexual Consent. The rest is just legal loophole and mumbo jumbo, dealing with statutory. But as you can see a specific age has been set for consent.
In the two states I posted about, the specific age varies under the circumstances. If one partner is under 12, it's OK as long as the older one is no more than 3 years older in Arkansas for example. In Colorado, is one is under 15, it's OK as long as the partner is no more than 4 years older. It doesn't say how far under 15. In most states, the "Official" age of consent seems to mean age of consent to sex with an adult.

So what are you going to define as the age to buy MAP?
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Old 05-02-2013, 07:18 AM
 
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Apples and oranges.
Sorry. it is NOT.

The argument has been made that these young girls are OLD enough AND MATURE enough to make these decisions all by themselves.

You are either MATURE or you are not.
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Old 05-02-2013, 07:18 AM
 
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These kids aren't old enough to understand and be responsible for possible side effects. They should not be allowed to purchase with out an adult
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