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Old 04-07-2013, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Voter ID lars are discriminatory if the proof isn't free of charge. duh.
Right but now you need this proof to sign up for Obamacare.
Where are those "defender" now ?
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Old 04-07-2013, 01:54 PM
 
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Yeah I know. I gotta be extra careful because I also have a student loan issue. Currently my tax refunds are intercepted by Treasury and sent off to Ed.

Turns out that there is a hierarchy to the grabbing and federal taxes are grabbed before anything else.

So if I owed an Obamacare penalty, they would grab my tax refund and apply it to the penalty/tax, with little or nothing going toward the student loan.
Up your W-4 withholdings by 1 and get less taxes taken from your paycheck.
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Old 04-07-2013, 02:11 PM
 
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If they don't get the subsidy and insurance would cost more than 8% of their gross income, they are exempt from the individual mandate.
I'm assuming people who have insurance costs over 8% of their gross income are either
A) very sick, and thus need insurance
B) Would be very low income, and thus would get the subsidy.

How would one prove insurance would cost more than 8% of their income? Thats right, probably another 50 page application.
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Old 04-07-2013, 02:12 PM
 
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Right but now you need this proof to sign up for Obamacare.
Where are those "defender" now ?
Its even worse, one group who doesnt have ID's are illegal aliens, and they will continue to get treatment without Obamacare, and without paying..

Thus nothing changes to fix the problems, they just make it tougher for law abiding citizens.
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Old 04-07-2013, 02:13 PM
 
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Right but now you need this proof to sign up for Obamacare.
Where are those "defender" now ?

That's a great question!
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Old 04-07-2013, 02:26 PM
 
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I'm assuming people who have insurance costs over 8% of their gross income are either
A) very sick, and thus need insurance
B) Would be very low income, and thus would get the subsidy.

How would one prove insurance would cost more than 8% of their income? Thats right, probably another 50 page application.

States which opted out of expanding Medicaid have a lot of low income (below 133% of poverty line) who would have been added to Medicaid if their state had not opted out - these people will not get Medicaid and also will not get a subsidy (because Obamacare assumed everyone below 133% would get Medicaid and therefore would not need a subsidy) and sans subsidy will never find coverage below 8% of gross, so they will be exempt.

Older people not yet 65 are expensive to insure and many will be above 8% for insurance.

And a whole lot of people can price themselves out of coverage (and exempt themselves from the individual mandate) by saying they smoked in the past 12 months - how can that possibly be disproved?
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Old 04-07-2013, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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States which opted out of expanding Medicaid have a lot of low income (below 133% of poverty line) who would have been added to Medicaid if their state had not opted out - these people will not get Medicaid and also will not get a subsidy (because Obamacare assumed everyone below 133% would get Medicaid and therefore would not need a subsidy) and sans subsidy will never find coverage below 8% of gross, so they will be exempt.

Older people not yet 65 are expensive to insure and many will be above 8% for insurance.

And a whole lot of people can price themselves out of coverage (and exempt themselves from the individual mandate) by saying they smoked in the past 12 months - how can that possibly be disproved?
But these people can get up to 95% of their premiums subsidized which leaves them with 5% out of pocket costs.
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Old 04-07-2013, 02:37 PM
 
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States which opted out of expanding Medicaid have a lot of low income (below 133% of poverty line) who would have been added to Medicaid if their state had not opted out - these people will not get Medicaid and also will not get a subsidy (because Obamacare assumed everyone below 133% would get Medicaid and therefore would not need a subsidy) and sans subsidy will never find coverage below 8% of gross, so they will be exempt.

Older people not yet 65 are expensive to insure and many will be above 8% for insurance.

And a whole lot of people can price themselves out of coverage (and exempt themselves from the individual mandate) by saying they smoked in the past 12 months - how can that possibly be disproved?
How long do you think it will take before the federal government starts to punish these states who refuse to opt into the system? You know, they they do with denying federal education funding, and road funding etc..
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Old 04-07-2013, 02:48 PM
 
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But these people can get up to 95% of their premiums subsidized which leaves them with 5% out of pocket costs.

not according to what i've seen. are you saying that the subsidies expand with the cost of insurance?

that's even less sustainable that obamacare seemed at the beginning.
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Old 04-07-2013, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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How long do you think it will take before the federal government starts to punish these states who refuse to opt into the system? You know, they they do with denying federal education funding, and road funding etc..
Texas is one of them.

And we are now in our 2nd year of no Fed funding for woman's health medicaid because we kicked PP out of our woman's health system because they couldn't prove they segregate fed money and abortion money.

So that's already $30 million a year we don't get anymore. We survived and woman have access to healthcare. And a judge upheld this 3 times now but PP keeps on trying to get it overturned. Texas used money from it's rainy day fund to build it's own woman's health network of providers.

The state did not crash and burn because we told PP and the Fed where to go.
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