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Old 04-07-2013, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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not according to what i've seen. are you saying that the subsidies expand with the cost of insurance?

that's even less sustainable that obamacare seemed at the beginning.
Well the CBO has come back several times with new estimates.
Costs have doubled and it still hasn't even started.


Exchanges & Premium Subsidies | ObamaCare Watch


Here's an obamacare calculator that will tell you what your premium would be and includes subsidies.

Health Reform Subsidy Calculator - Kaiser Health Reform
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Old 04-07-2013, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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No it wasn't. If you can vote without showing proof of who you are why can't you get obamacare without showing proof of who you are as well ?
Because conservatives stopped it I'm sure or every Tom, Dick and Harry would be able to get free health care on the backs of the middle class.
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Old 04-07-2013, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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No it wasn't. If you can vote without showing proof of who you are why can't you get obamacare without showing proof of who you are as well ?
Because conservatives stopped it I'm sure or every Tom, Dick and Harry would be able to get free health care on the backs of the middle class. Not providing freee healthcare to illegals was not a liberal idea and anyone who could or would suggest that it was is a fool.
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Old 04-07-2013, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Because conservatives stopped it I'm sure or every Tom, Dick and Harry would be able to get free health care on the backs of the middle class.
Obamacare is 100% Dem owned. Not one Republican voted for it.
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Old 04-07-2013, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Because conservatives stopped it I'm sure or every Tom, Dick and Harry would be able to get free health care on the backs of the middle class. Not providing freee healthcare to illegals was not a liberal idea and anyone who could or would suggest that it was is a fool.
Illegals already get free healthcare and will continue to get free healthcare.
why would illegals sign up and pay for what they can get for free ?
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Old 04-07-2013, 03:06 PM
 
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Because conservatives stopped it I'm sure or every Tom, Dick and Harry would be able to get free health care on the backs of the middle class. Not providing freee healthcare to illegals was not a liberal idea and anyone who could or would suggest that it was is a fool.
Where the hell do you get your information from? Illegals will still be able to get free healthcare on the backs of the middle class.

In fact, now more than ever. Who do you think will be paying for their bills?
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Old 04-07-2013, 03:17 PM
 
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Well the CBO has come back several times with new estimates.
Costs have doubled and it still hasn't even started.


Exchanges & Premium Subsidies | ObamaCare Watch


Here's an obamacare calculator that will tell you what your premium would be and includes subsidies.

Health Reform Subsidy Calculator - Kaiser Health Reform

Uh-oh I might be even more screwed than I thought. how does the "government tax credit" work? If it's a refundable income tax credit, it will be grabbed by treasury and applied to my student loans (with Treasury keeping 20% for themselves) which means I'll never be able to afford uinsurance and might as well just pay the penalty.
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Old 04-07-2013, 03:20 PM
 
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I'm assuming people who have insurance costs over 8% of their gross income are either
A) very sick, and thus need insurance
B) Would be very low income, and thus would get the subsidy.

How would one prove insurance would cost more than 8% of their income? Thats right, probably another 50 page application.

If you're working off the books, how do you "prove" your income?
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Old 04-07-2013, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Uh-oh I might be even more screwed than I thought. how does the "government tax credit" work? If it's a refundable income tax credit, it will be grabbed by treasury and applied to my student loans (with Treasury keeping 20% for themselves) which means I'll never be able to afford uinsurance and might as well just pay the penalty.
No, this is up front credit available right away. In that 60 page form you have to estimate your next year's income and they give you the credit based on that. It's available right away and goes toward your premium.
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Old 04-07-2013, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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If you're working off the books, how do you "prove" your income?
If you are working off the books then you have no income and medicaid is available to you for "free".
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