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Old 04-08-2013, 09:24 AM
 
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Well, generally, I would agree that she deserves full credit (or full condemnation, depending on one's view) for her accomplishments.

But let's not forget the importance to her career of her husband, Sir Dennis Thatcher, Bt. Though he was rather cruelly mocked (most especially by the satirical puppet show Splitting Image) as a silly old duffer, his support and wealth made an enormous difference to his wife's career: he was already a very wealthy man when they married, and his connections with the Tory establishment were probably essential to her rise. You know the saying: "behind every great woman...."

He's also, as it happens, the last person other than a member of the House of Windsor, to be awarded a hereditary title in the U.K., now born by their son, Sir Mark Thatcher, Bt.

(Sorry, Jaggy - you beat me to it)
Indeed. Dennis Thatcher was extremely effective behind the scenes both with his 'establishment' contacts and in the way he managed the media.

In addition to Spitting Image, Private Eye had an excellent 'Dear Bill' diary which was ostensibly written by Dennis who was quite happy to allow the general public to underestimate his influence.
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Old 04-08-2013, 09:26 AM
 
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Just as JFK wouldn't qualify as a liberal today. All aspects of politics have become extreme, with the moderates (and the people) being ignored. Moderates from both parties are filling the ranks of independents in droves.

The woman who saved a nation.
RIP MHT
Yes, those radicals!

Arguing that the ANC and their leader Nelson Mandela was not a terrorist organization!

Good thing we have whites like you and Thatcher that know better, and are willing to say it. Thank you for being a voice of "moderation".

[In other news: GOP to conduct "minority outreach" next year]
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Old 04-08-2013, 09:26 AM
 
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"To cure the British disease with socialism was like trying to cure leukaemia with leeches.
Margaret Thatcher"

She was one of several strong women, from both sides of the aisle, that I admired.
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Old 04-08-2013, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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There you have it folks. Another right winger plainly stating that the ANC and their leader were "terrorists".

Thank you for your honest opinion Steve.

It's always been my goal to show the true mentality behind right wingers like yourself, so you are not misunderstood.

Also here is part of the paragraph you left off, being the pro Thatcher, right wing guy, you are.

From your source:

"The ANC formed a military wing, Umkhonto we Sizwe (aka MK or Spear of the Nation), to lead its terrorist attacks. ANC and Umkhonto directed their terrorist attacks against facilities and did not directly target people."
There you have it folks. A liberal who doesn't believe that bombing buildings is an act of terrorism. They bombed buildings, and not people (directly), so it is okay. Much like Bill Ayers, who is responsible for the deaths of several people.

Bombing "ANYTHING" qualifies as an act of terrorism. It's not my opinion, it's a fact.
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Old 04-08-2013, 09:30 AM
 
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Ultimately, when you look at Thatcher's political legacy, her time as Prime Minister achieved no lasting impact either in the field of UK economic progress or in the area of social reform. Even in foreign policy, her 'achievement' in resolving the Southern Rhodesia issue just ushered in the even worse Mugabe while winning the Falkland's war merely prolonged the stalemate.

When you compare Thatcher with Attlee or even Wilson, she comes a poor third.
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Old 04-08-2013, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Yes, those radicals!

Arguing that the ANC and their leader Nelson Mandela was not a terrorist organization!

Good thing we have whites like you and Thatcher that know better, and are willing to say it. Thank you for being a voice of "moderation".

[In other news: GOP to conduct "minority outreach" next year]
WOW, you are an assuming fool. You're wrong about me being a Republican, being a white, and facts about the ANC. Please note that I never mentioned Mandela ONCE.

Stop arguing, it makes you look foolish.
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Old 04-08-2013, 09:32 AM
 
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There you have it folks. A liberal who doesn't believe that bombing buildings is an act of terrorism. They bombed buildings, and not people (directly), so it is okay. Much like Bill Ayers, who is responsible for the deaths of several people.

Bombing "ANYTHING" qualifies as an act of terrorism. It's not my opinion, it's a fact.
The poor ships in Boston Harbor! Did you see those terrorists take all the crates of Tea and throw them in the water? That cost those British businessmen so much money! Boo hoo......LOL

I'll never forget that day of Terrorism like you Steve.

That evening, a group of 30 to 130 men, some dressed in the Mohawk warrior disguises, boarded the three vessels and, over the course of three hours, dumped all 342 chests of tea into the water.[62] The precise location of the Griffin's Wharf site of the Tea Party has been subject to prolonged uncertainty; a comprehensive study[63] places it near the foot of Hutchinson Street (today's Pearl Street).
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Old 04-08-2013, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Steven_h said: WOW, you are an assuming fool. You're wrong about me being a Republican, being a white, and facts about the ANC. Please note that I never mentioned Mandela ONCE.

Stop arguing, it makes you look foolish.

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The poor ships in Boston Harbor! Did you see those terrorists take all the crates of Tea and throw them in the water? That cost those British businessmen so much money! Boo hoo......LOL
And the transition from argument to absurd is complete.
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Old 04-08-2013, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Columbus, OH
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This thread is a good example of how Democrats/liberals/progressives hate women.
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Old 04-08-2013, 09:37 AM
 
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WOW, you are an assuming fool. You're wrong about me being a Republican, being a white, and facts about the ANC. Please note that I never mentioned Mandela ONCE.

Stop arguing, it makes you look foolish.
Ahhh! The ANC was a "terrorist organization" you claim, but not the ANC leader at the time Nelson Mandela.....LOL

That's a good one Steve.
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