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Old 04-09-2013, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Nice rhetoric but nobody's answered my question. I'm not advocating it, I'm just curious why it can't be regulated under constitutional law.
Because a firearm without ammunition is useless, and the 2nd Amendment says that "the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".

One cannot "keep and bear" a firearm if they are restricted in the ability to obtain ammunition.

Without that, a firearm is nothing more than a sculpted club.
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Old 04-09-2013, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Quit obsessing over what other people own and purchase, you'll be a much happier person.
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Old 04-09-2013, 07:30 PM
 
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I have a right to free speech but that doesn't mean I can libel, slander, defraud, incite to riot, or yell fire in a crowded theater. All rights have limits.
Irrelevant. The courts have ruled that an individual has a Constitutional right to protect themselves by bearing arms. Again, simply because you say you have no agenda here, one can not protect themselves with an unloaded gun.
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Old 04-09-2013, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Everywhere and Nowhere
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Because a firearm without ammunition is useless, and the 2nd Amendment says that "the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".

One cannot "keep" a firearm if they are restricted in the ability to obtain ammunition.
That could be addressed by allowing non-lethal rubber bullets. You have a right to bear arms but not to introduce something into another's body. That's pretty well established. I can't give you dirty food, drugs, or water.
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Old 04-09-2013, 07:31 PM
 
Location: In your head, rent free
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Can you give me the case?
Ammunition is an integral part of "arms" which are clearly protected under the 2nd amendment.

"Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state government, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people" (Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788)
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Old 04-09-2013, 07:32 PM
 
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Ammunition is an integral part of "arms" which are clearly protected under the 2nd amendment.

"Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state government, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people" (Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788)
The PA Gazette's not a court.
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Old 04-09-2013, 07:32 PM
 
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I have a right to free speech but that doesn't mean I can libel, slander, defraud, incite to riot, or yell fire in a crowded theater. All rights have limits.
Your 1st amendment rights are only limited when they impede on the rights/safety of other people.
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Old 04-09-2013, 07:32 PM
 
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That could be addressed by allowing non-lethal rubber bullets. You have a right to bear arms but not to introduce something into another's body. That's pretty well established.
No it isn't. It happens all the time. Everyday there are people who shoot others when they break into their house and it's perfectly legal.

You haven't thought your position through very well. I suggest you read up on the topics you wish to discuss before posting.
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Old 04-09-2013, 07:33 PM
 
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Your 1st amendment rights are only limited when they impede on the rights/safety of other people.
Exactly. Like putting a foreign object into someone else's body.
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Old 04-09-2013, 07:34 PM
 
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That could be addressed by allowing non-lethal rubber bullets. You have a right to bear arms but not to introduce something into another's body. That's pretty well established. I can't give you dirty food, drugs, or water.
Rubber bullets? Really?

You don't have the right to introduce yourself into my home without my permission, if you do I'll introduce some high velocity lead into your body.
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