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Old 04-11-2013, 05:11 PM
 
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That is a great point. Obama runs for president on being the anti-Bush then becomes Bush III.

-Patriot Act Renewed after campaigning against it.

-Says it would be illegal to get involved Libya without Congress voting - then does it anyway.

-Doubles down on Afghanistan and has a surge. The US death rate there is about 6 times higher under Obama per year than Bush.

-Follows Bush's Iraq withdrawal timeline.

-Keeps Gitmo open.

-Keeps torture going despite campaigning against it.
Yep, all reasons I could not bring myself to vote for Obama.
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Old 04-11-2013, 05:13 PM
 
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The odd thing about the "Salvador option" is that it didn't actually work in El Salvador. The goal was to train Salvadoran military units to storm into "hostile" villages, kill suspected rebel supporters, and "interrogate" others. This led to widespread torture and random executions, which in turn actually made the rebels stronger in parts of the countryside, because the villagers had no other source of security from the government itself. And US "trainers" were indeed present at many of these incidents, which is something that hasn't been discussed much about recent US history.

The "Salvador option" was ramped up from the early 1980's onward, but then the rebels launched their biggest, most daring offensive of the entire war in November 1989, and actually seized parts of the capital (San Salvador).

That more or less forced the Salvadoran government into serious negotiations, and far from being defeated, the main rebel group FMLN became a legal political party, its personnel were granted a general amnesty, and El Salvador's current president is an FMLN member.
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Old 04-11-2013, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Bettles Field, AK
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Originally Posted by michiganmoon View Post
That is a great point. Obama runs for president on being the anti-Bush then becomes Bush III.

-Patriot Act Renewed after campaigning against it.

-Says it would be illegal to get involved Libya without Congress voting - then does it anyway.

-Doubles down on Afghanistan and has a surge. The US death rate there is about 6 times higher under Obama per year than Bush.

-Follows Bush's Iraq withdrawal timeline.

-Keeps Gitmo open.

-Keeps torture going despite campaigning against it.
Correct. This is the definition of the Fraudulent Two-Party system. There is really no difference between the two behind the scenes. They all sleep in the same bed.
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Old 04-11-2013, 08:08 PM
 
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Correct. This is the definition of the Fraudulent Two-Party system. There is really no difference between the two behind the scenes. They all sleep in the same bed.
I think a scary thing is that most Obama/Bush supporters can't even admit that he is a fraud on so many levels and on so many issues. Lies, flip-flops, hypocritical actions, broken promises that he could keep without congress and etc....but there is always an excuse.
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Old 04-11-2013, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Bettles Field, AK
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I think a scary thing is that most Obama/Bush supporters can't even admit that he is a fraud on so many levels and on so many issues. Lies, flip-flops, hypocritical actions, broken promises that he could keep without congress and etc....but there is always an excuse.
Even scarier thing is that the sheeple have been hooked, lined and sinkered by the fraud from both sides of the aisle. Many are stuck with their cultic political ideologies that they cannot think or have a second opinion. They are so hard-wired about voting for a candidate just because he or she is a "D" or "R".

That's the reason why i did not vote on the presidential portion of the ballot because no matter who would of won last November, nothing substantial would change.

What also astounds me is that the same people who complained about invasions and wars during the Bush years are now relatively silent and vice-versa.
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