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Old 04-25-2013, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Originally Posted by pollyrobin View Post
Hint - there are consequences to our actions.
Yes there are - but that point is irrelevant to the topic at hand - which is the right of criminal defendants to have an adequate defense and for defendants who cannot afford to pay for their own attorneys, to have ones appointed for them by the public.

 
Old 04-25-2013, 03:45 PM
 
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Yes there are - but that point is irrelevant to the topic at hand - which is the right of criminal defendants to have an adequate defense and for defendants who cannot afford to pay for their own attorneys, to have ones appointed for them by the public.
Well said!
 
Old 04-25-2013, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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He was charged with using weapons of mass destruction but was he charged with terrorism ?
 
Old 04-25-2013, 03:47 PM
 
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You mean like Gary Leon Ridgway?

You are attacking a strawman.
You are ignoring the price tag. For Gary it was 12M.
That is the problem with our present judicial system.

BTW, I don't see this case as all that complicated.
But assured, our judicial system will be hell bent on making it one,
while they rack up the bills.
 
Old 04-25-2013, 03:50 PM
 
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Yes, indeed, the attorney which was appointed to this case, has a good reputation and is very experienced. AND she is still an employee of the Office of the Fed Public Defender. That Public Defender appoints an attorney in his/her office to be the lead attorney in each case, as was done here.

You know "my" taxpayer money funds the Fed PROSECUTORS too, and I'm not complaining. Federal and State public defenders get less funding than state and fed prosecutors. If YOU want to try to make a difference in defense funding, then run for political office and try to do that. In the meantime, it is what it is, and I fully support my taxes funding defense.......after all, WHAT ELSE so directly thwarts an OVER-POWERFUL STATE?

"Average citizens" do get legal teams, especially in capital cases. The number of people required to represent a case depends upon the complexity and the degree of felony.
A very valid point!
 
Old 04-25-2013, 03:53 PM
 
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which is the right of criminal defendants to have an adequate defense and for defendants who cannot afford to pay for their own attorneys, to have ones appointed for them by the public.
key word: adequate

There can be no public case that complicated, that warrants that
kind of price tag. It is simply judicial abuse; legal theft of public monies.
 
Old 04-25-2013, 03:55 PM
 
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That doesn't matter.

We live in a nation of laws where people have the right to require the government to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
Unless they are convicted of a crime by the court of public opinion, for which their case was heard by CNN and Anderson Cooper, and summarily shot dead in the street by an army of thugs dressed like Nazi SS on Steroids.

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If Tsarnaev has or does plead not guilty, then that is what will be done.
He's already confessed ... haven't you kept up with the latest news?

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If you were accused of a crime, would you dismiss the assignation of public defenders to you as overkill - and agree that summary execution should take place?
That reminds me of the old southern method of justice, as the the Sheriff brings in his man, and sets him in front of the judge (who happens to be the Sheriffs brother-in-law), and they say to him ... "Boy, this is America. We're gonna give you a good lawyer, and conduct a fair trial, and THEN we'll hang you".

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Hint - we don't live in North Korea.
Hint to you .... OPEN YOUR EYES.



Hello .. we are from the government ... we love you and are here to help. Now, if you would be so kind as to PUT YOUR HANDS ON YOUR HEAD NOW .... we might not shoot you in the face with this assault weapon loaded with internationally outlawed ammunition.

Rights? We'll tell you what rights you have. Miranda? You have the right to shut up, and if you want to remain able to speak, you'd better OBEY your commands. Now, take your clothes off ... ALL OF IT ... SHUT UP AND DO IT!!!

Welcome to America, whose motto, the land of the free and home of the brave shall not be tarnished by the fact that we have more people incarcerated in our prisons than any other nation on the planet. But we treat them good ... trust us ... we don't lie.
 
Old 04-25-2013, 04:02 PM
 
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Anyone whose defense requires a defense team and can't pay for it is able to have a public defense team assigned to their case.
If by team you mean two lawyers then you are on solid ground because that is the limit required in capital cases state or federal when it comes to court appointed attorneys.
 
Old 04-25-2013, 04:06 PM
 
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Unless they are convicted of a crime by the court of public opinion...
Considering that folks insist on the right of every citizen to have everything from a AR-15 to a Barrett chambered in .50 cal I'm not surprised or unhappy that the police have fighting chance to enforce the law.
 
Old 04-25-2013, 04:07 PM
 
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Originally Posted by pollyrobin View Post
key word: adequate

There can be no public case that complicated, that warrants that
kind of price tag. It is simply judicial abuse; legal theft of public monies.
These price tags you're quoting, is that the cost to try the case or the cost for the DEFENSE ONLY? There are TWO sides in these cases, the prosecution and defense, and BOTH are funded by taxpayer money.

"Adequate" is not the standard for representation in any case. Did you know that cases can get overturned over something call Ineffective Assistance of Counsel.....IAC?

OBVIOUSLY you have no experience or education regarding our justice system or you wouldn't make such absurd claims.
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