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Old 04-16-2013, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Austin
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The anger is not against wealth but the elitism. I have wealthy friends that have a family business and made a fortune. They came from nothing. They are grounded and down to earth- geniune people who "get it".

When people see Jaimie Dimon or George Soros wield power and act as if their **** dont stink it sits the wrong way. Its not the wealth it is the elitist attitude. It is also the notion that these wealthy are untouchable and are "too big to fail". All of the wealthy banking CEO's who failed miserably and ruined our economy for at least a decade got off not only scott free but with more wealth than before! How can we as a nation, as a civil society accept that?

All in all- Money never makes a person a better person. It may not make them worse but never does money mean a person is better.
What you are really opposing is Crony Capitalism. And it's rampant today.
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Old 04-16-2013, 08:50 AM
 
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Jealousy is a negative, regressive state of mind.

The jealous thought is “I want what you have, and thus until I have it, you shouldn’t have it either.”


Why are people so jealous of successful people? Especially people who don't want to do what it takes to become successful.
Because they are lazy, angry, bitter and blame others for their self-made failures.
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Old 04-16-2013, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Northern NJ/Amagansett, NY
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All in all- Money never makes a person a better person. It may not make them worse but never does money mean a person is better....
This isn't really true. Speaking from personal experience, it sometimes takes getting everything you (think you) want before realizing that that is not the stuff that makes you truly happy. For some people, it is only then that they can stop chasing a false happiness in exchange for a true one. In that sense, money CAN make one a "better" person.
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Old 04-16-2013, 09:25 AM
 
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The anger is not against wealth but the elitism. I have wealthy friends that have a family business and made a fortune. They came from nothing. They are grounded and down to earth- geniune people who "get it".

When people see Jaimie Dimon or George Soros wield power and act as if their **** dont stink it sits the wrong way. Its not the wealth it is the elitist attitude. It is also the notion that these wealthy are untouchable and are "too big to fail". All of the wealthy banking CEO's who failed miserably and ruined our economy for at least a decade got off not only scott free but with more wealth than before! How can we as a nation, as a civil society accept that?

All in all- Money never makes a person a better person. It may not make them worse but never does money mean a person is better.
Yea I get what you are saying. I don't think Obama supporters realize that when Obama campaigned on taxing the rich he was not attacking Jaimie Dimon or George Soros. They are the truly rich but instead Obama's campaign was against people who were working for an income of $200K / $250K. Yea, that is alot of money but that is not Dimon or Soros rich.

Obama went after increasing taxes on income and the rich will adapt and reduce taxable income. Obama knows this and everytime we hear Obama say increase taxes he is selling out everyday people just trying to make it. He didn't sell out the Jaimie Dimon's or George Soros's of the country.

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Old 04-16-2013, 09:30 AM
 
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This is an easy answer, but no one will believe it. The last few generations have been told from a very young age that everyone is a winner and there is no reason why you can't have everything you want. The problem is that they didn't bother to teach these same people that for every winner there must be a loser and more importantly no one bothered to teach them that the only way to become successful was to actually work at it.

So what happens is you get a whole bunch of people all standing around waiting to become successful or "winners" and then getting angry when nothing happens.
Yea I get this too. We were encouraged and told we could be rich. You are also right that they didn't teach us so why is that the schools do not offer and require financial education courses. When we go to school we are taught how to work for someone else and most can not get rich working for someone else. Our teachers also work for someone else so we can not expect them to be able to teach us to work for ourselves.

The schools don't work. They only train us to work for someone else. Go to school, get a good job. So it is up to us to educate ourselves.

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Old 04-16-2013, 10:30 AM
 
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That's one view...on the other hand maybe it isn't jealousy but perhaps resentment, bitterness and a sense of economic betrayal if one cannot even afford to acquire (no matter how hard they work and circumstances beyond their control) a mere middle class life.

Notice I did not say lifestyle because that implies a sense of wealth and most people would like to work towards that but are currently facing obstacles in this country not seen since the great depression.

As to your view of people who don't want to do what it takes to become successful...they are absolutely in a league of their own and do not represent those people who are indeed trying and do as much as they are able to do and yet struggle.

Best regards, sincerely

HomeIsWhere...
You are also right that there are obstacles and taxes are one of them. When you get your paycheck you look at the bottom line. You don't pay much attention to taxes. As you make more money and they are taking out more eventually as you climb they take a bigger percentage because our tax code is progressive. If you buy a property (your first home) you created a deduction reducing your tax burden but that is like paying $10 to get $1 in tax deduction.

You may be educated and make good money but if you invest and create deductions you stay on the merry-go-round. This is a simplified post but the point is as the government goes after more tax revenue and since it is hard to create deductions against your income a government that wants to increase taxes is essentially making it harder for you to get off the merry-go-round. Among other things, taxes will keep you poor. The wealthy already built wealth and were able invest in ways to keep taxable income down. Since everyday people have limited tax deductions available to them they suffer the consequences of taxation. Obama's attack constant demand for higher taxes is an attack on everyday Americans.
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Old 04-16-2013, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I think many of the posts on this thread answer your question.

Sour grapes.
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Old 04-16-2013, 10:40 AM
 
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I think many of the posts on this thread answer your question.

Sour grapes.
Yes people don't understand how money works and how the truly rich are able to become rich and don't take the time to learn so they are easy targets for government. Because people are uneducated it was easy for them to believe Obama when he said upper income people are the rich and jump on the "tax the rich" bandwagon.

Obama knows damn well people at $200k are not rich, he knows they are high income and since he constantly wants more money he went after them using people who don't know any better to help him.

Alot of people would love to start a business and make big money but what most don't understand that big money comes in the form of income. If you do not have deductions you just became target for Obama's "tax the rich" campaign. Everyday people, trying to make it only to find that they are the rich bad guy.

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Old 04-16-2013, 10:44 AM
 
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Jealousy is a negative, regressive state of mind.

The jealous thought is “I want what you have, and thus until I have it, you shouldn’t have it either.”


Why are people so jealous of successful people? Especially people who don't want to do what it takes to become successful.
Nobody has established that people are jealous of successful people. This is a loaded question, like "when did you stop beating your wife," which has a false premise and only is used as a rhetorical tool to serve the OP's agenda.

In reality, not many if any are jealous of successful people. They just want them to pay higher taxes.
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Old 04-16-2013, 10:45 AM
 
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What you are really opposing is Crony Capitalism. And it's rampant today.
yep, Crony capitalism is a term describing an economy in which success in business depends on close relationships between business people and government officials. Too bad small business can not afford to achieve these relationships. Democrats are not interested in them.
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