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Old 04-18-2013, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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..particularly to ensure the truly mentally unstable do not obtain weapons. Propose a bill that actually does that, and you'll get a lot of support. You keep pushing these far reaching pork-filled bills disguised as simple "background check" measures, and no one is buying the BS. If it's just background checks you want, then push a bill that just does background checks, and you might see better results.
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Old 04-18-2013, 01:58 PM
 
Location: NY
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But even background checks are iffy. Under Cuomo, NY recently passed the Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement (SAFE) Act of 2013. A man (the wrong man, which is how it made the news), had his firearms confiscated by the police because he had at one time been on anti-anxiety drugs.

Is that all it takes to have your guns confiscated? How many people have been on anti-anxiety drugs at one time or another? Your mother/father/wife/husband dies and the doctor gives you some valium to get through the funeral, or he prescribes xanax so you can get on a plane. Under the SAFE act the police can now confiscate your guns.

And how did they get those medical records anyway?

Imagine background checks under Obamacare, the government can make up any health-related reason they see fit to disqualify you from owning or puchasing a firearm.

This administration is trying to tie too tight a loop around our lives, all the time telling us it's for our own good.
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Old 04-18-2013, 02:06 PM
 
Location: NYC
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I'm glad that you agree, now I'm whole.
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Old 04-18-2013, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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We need be tougher on the criminals when they commit crimes - not put more rules on law abiding citizens.
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Old 04-18-2013, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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But even background checks are iffy. Under Cuomo, NY recently passed the Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement (SAFE) Act of 2013. A man (the wrong man, which is how it made the news), had his firearms confiscated by the police because he had at one time been on anti-anxiety drugs.
The state police have now admitted he wasn't even the right guy. So, they confiscated the weapons from a guy that was never on the drugs, and the right guy shouldn't have ever been targetted anyway!

What an epic example of how government screws up everything it touches.
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Old 04-18-2013, 02:13 PM
 
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We need be tougher on the criminals when they commit crimes - not put more rules on law abiding citizens.
You think consequences will keep people from committing crimes?

lol.
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Old 04-18-2013, 02:19 PM
 
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..particularly to ensure the truly mentally unstable do not obtain weapons. Propose a bill that actually does that, and you'll get a lot of support. You keep pushing these far reaching pork-filled bills disguised as simple "background check" measures, and no one is buying the BS. If it's just background checks you want, then push a bill that just does background checks, and you might see better results.
Let's say a felon or a known sociopath wants to kill people, and tries to buy a gun at a gun store and is turned down. Then what does this bill do? Nothing, not a damn thing.

So, we have a potential murderer trying to buy a gun legally, gets turned down. Cool, awesome, did we just stop a murder? No. All we did was inform them they need to either try again, steal one, borrow one, or get one illegally. No one from Eric Holder's DOJ is going to arrest or prosecute the person, it's all for show.
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Old 04-18-2013, 02:20 PM
 
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..particularly to ensure the truly mentally unstable do not obtain weapons. Propose a bill that actually does that, and you'll get a lot of support. You keep pushing these far reaching pork-filled bills disguised as simple "background check" measures, and no one is buying the BS. If it's just background checks you want, then push a bill that just does background checks, and you might see better results.
Background checks are already mandatory for new gun purchases through dealers. The universal Background checks that we are talking about deal with 2nd hand transfers and private sales.
How do you see background checks working without national registration?
If I want to sell my gun to you, how are we forced to go to a dealer, and pay the fees for the transfer.
Government doesn't know I own the gun so there is no way to enforce the UBC.
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Old 04-18-2013, 02:23 PM
 
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You think consequences will keep people from committing crimes?

lol.
I think a mandatory 10 years for gun violence convictions will keep a lot of repeat offenders off the streets.
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Old 04-18-2013, 02:41 PM
 
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But even background checks are iffy. Under Cuomo, NY recently passed the Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement (SAFE) Act of 2013. A man (the wrong man, which is how it made the news), had his firearms confiscated by the police because he had at one time been on anti-anxiety drugs.

Is that all it takes to have your guns confiscated? How many people have been on anti-anxiety drugs at one time or another? Your mother/father/wife/husband dies and the doctor gives you some valium to get through the funeral, or he prescribes xanax so you can get on a plane. Under the SAFE act the police can now confiscate your guns.

And how did they get those medical records anyway?

Imagine background checks under Obamacare, the government can make up any health-related reason they see fit to disqualify you from owning or puchasing a firearm.

This administration is trying to tie too tight a loop around our lives, all the time telling us it's for our own good.
^^^^ This exactly.

If someone can be disqualified from owning guns, or have their guns confiscated based on whatever criteria the government chooses, they can essentially use any excuse they want to ban you from owning guns. They can constantly raise the bar to make it hard to qualify for a gun license.

Visited a website they didn't like? Banned.
Registered with a group they oppose? Banned.
Check out/buy a book on a watch list? Banned.

Background checks seem to be a no-brainer, until you realize what a Pandora's Box that can be used to strip us of our rights at the discretion of agenda-driven bureaucrats.
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