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View Poll Results: Are you willing to give up some constitutional rights to feel safe?
I would rather not have any security checks at airports and take my chances on the flight. 64 68.09%
I would be willing to submit to a search without probable cause so that my fight will be safer. 30 31.91%
Voters: 94. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-21-2013, 01:12 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
The courts have been making the same ruling since early 1970s.

UNITED STATES v. AUKAI, No.

Got something other than that one case in the 9th circuit court regarding the search of a person who changed his mind about flying?
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Old 04-21-2013, 01:14 PM
 
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One easy way to protect our way of life is limit Muslim migration to this country yet you liberals don't want to do that. So here we are at a crossroads.
However, if a Muslim does make it to this country, should they be allowed to purchase a gun without a background check? I am thinking about the guns that the Boston Bombers had and used to kill the MIT security guard.
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Old 04-21-2013, 01:17 PM
 
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Obviously you are not getting the point or just being disingenuous. At some point you will be subject to prove your citizenship. That requirement will be conducted with out probable cause. Therefore, unless you think people should freely come in and out of the country (due to not wanting authorities conducting unwarranted searches) you, yourself, support this so called infringement.

These people claiming not to want to sacrific a single freedom are not being logically consistent because they them selves support causes and practices that do, in fact infringe upon freedoms and liberties.
What makes you think there is no probable cause if you are at the border? A person outside the American border is probably not American and if they want to enter the American border they need to prove they are allowed to enter.

Visa, or
Citizenship

I prove my eligibility with my passport.

The last time I went to Mexico the cops searched my gf and I before we could enter a town. When I go Russia the cops ask me for papers. When I am inside the US border I am free to travel without being searched.
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Old 04-21-2013, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Aren't you proud of being a "sheeple"?
Thanks for proving my point.
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Old 04-21-2013, 01:20 PM
 
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However, if a Muslim does make it to this country, should they be allowed to purchase a gun without a background check? I am thinking about the guns that the Boston Bombers had and used to kill the MIT security guard.
This came up when a french guy was asking if he was allowed to buy a gun in the US. IIRC, it is allowed and legal.
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Old 04-21-2013, 01:20 PM
 
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The court ruling that you posted concerned the search of an individual who chose NOT TO FLY.
It concerns the constitutionality of airport security. I am sorry if you don't see that, but then again I can't force you to see what you do not want to see.
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Old 04-21-2013, 01:21 PM
 
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However, if a Muslim does make it to this country, should they be allowed to purchase a gun without a background check? I am thinking about the guns that the Boston Bombers had and used to kill the MIT security guard.
Anyone can buy a gun, and they might have bought them from a dealer after passing the background check. Or maybe they bought them from a private person where background checks are not required.
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Old 04-21-2013, 01:32 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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Maybe most people us are simply not bothered by it. I fly all the time, and I couldn't care less if my bag gets x-rayed. What bothers me more is people like you who insult others for not being as sensitive as you.
I'm on the same boat as you,

i don't fly all the time but when i do i don't act all paranoid and scared of the security guy looking at my undies.
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Old 04-21-2013, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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It concerns the constitutionality of airport security. I am sorry if you don't see that, but then again I can't force you to see what you do not want to see.
Exactly! We have sacrificed our Constitutional freedoms for the promise of safety!

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The Supreme Court states that blanket suspicionless searches are allowed in the airport as long as terrorism poses a risk to public safety.
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The persistent threat of terrorism over the past decades gives airports wide latitude to infringe on the Fourth Amendment, and airports are able to restrict other rights as well.

Individual gun rights under the Second Amendment vary widely from state to state, but even in a state where a citizen has the right to carry a concealed weapon in public spaces, they lose that right once they enter the airport.
U.S. Airports a "Constitutional Twilight Zone" - CBS News
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Old 04-21-2013, 01:47 PM
 
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Is this an infringement on our constitutional rights?

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In August 2009, Nick went to the Philadelphia International Airport to catch a flight to California and begin his senior year at Pomona College. At the airport, he was detained, abusively interrogated, handcuffed, and jailed for several hours in a holding cell – solely because he was carrying a set of Arabic-English flashcards for his language studies, and a book critical of U.S. foreign policy.
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That’s right: no liquids, no matches, no weapons, no explosives. Just First Amendment-protected materials.
In Court Today: The Constitution Also Lives in Airports | American Civil Liberties Union
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