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Old 04-21-2013, 01:36 PM
 
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With all due respect Sen Dianne Moron police can't be everywhere .

Dianne Feinstein Prefers Massive Police Presence to Individuals With Assault Rifles During Boston Manhunt
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Old 04-21-2013, 01:46 PM
 
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she also prefers to be able to have her own ccw in SF, while all her constituents go unarmed.
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Old 04-21-2013, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Sector 001
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if more regular joes were packing heat, things like people shooting up movie theaters would NEVER happen, because the psycho would not get off two shots before someone would put him down.

Using shooting events as an excuse for more gun control is going about it the wrong way, it assumes that all americans are as crazy as the shooter. That's no way to think of people. I consider myself progressive, but there's nothing logical about the leftists calls for gun control. All their arguments are completely illogical. Trust that people are responsible, good, and know how to handle themselves with these weapons.
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Old 04-21-2013, 01:50 PM
 
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if more regular joes were packing heat, things like people shooting up movie theaters would NEVER happen, because the psycho would not get off two shots before someone would put him down.

Using shooting events as an excuse for more gun control is going about it the wrong way, it assumes that all americans are as crazy as the shooter. That's no way to think of people.
99% of you would freeze, fumble and make the situation worse. Most of you are average to poor shots to begin with, much less in a crisis situation where you are a bundle of nerves. A very, very small percentage of the population remains cool and collected in crisis situations, much less when they have had no training for such situations.

Additionally, I don't want to be sitting next to your foolish butt when you start spraying gunfire and attract shots at me because you've made yourself a target.
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Old 04-21-2013, 02:01 PM
 
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99% of you would freeze, fumble and make the situation worse. Most of you are average to poor shots to begin with, much less in a crisis situation where you are a bundle of nerves. A very, very small percentage of the population remains cool and collected in crisis situations, much less when they have had no training for such situations.

Additionally, I don't want to be sitting next to your foolish butt when you start spraying gunfire and attract shots at me because you've made yourself a target.

guess that puts me in the 1% group.

believe it or not, most civilians that carry concealed are better shots than their local police. civilians have the time and money to go out and practice, whereas cops dont really practice much at all, some do, but not most.

all you have to do is look at firearm competitions to see who is polacing in the top 3 places.
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Old 04-21-2013, 03:14 PM
 
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if more regular joes were packing heat, things like people shooting up movie theaters would NEVER happen, because the psycho would not get off two shots before someone would put him down.
The idea that a handful of strangers can spontaneously form a SWAT team in the heat of the moment and expect a good outcome is plain silly. I have in fact trained the "armed perpetrator mixed in with civilians" scenario with law enforcement back in Europe, and everybody makes a complete dog's breakfast of it on the first few run-throughs. It's really seriously goddamn hard.

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Trust that people are responsible, good, and know how to handle themselves with these weapons.
I see people trusted with the responsibility of handling themselves with a motorized vehicle every day, and it has caused me to not share your optimism.
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Old 04-21-2013, 03:18 PM
 
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all you have to do is look at firearm competitions to see who is polacing in the top 3 places.
Firearms proficiency is necessary, but it doesn't win the day on its own. Command structure, shared procedure, clear communications and, yes, hitting what you aim at, wins firefights.
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Old 04-21-2013, 03:21 PM
 
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Additionally, I don't want to be sitting next to your foolish butt when you start spraying gunfire and attract shots at me because you've made yourself a target.
Then cower unarmed on the floor underneath the movie theater seats, and stay out of the way of those who would be armed and trying to save themselves and your sorry a$$ for a psycho-murderer.
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Old 04-21-2013, 03:23 PM
 
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If everyone is walking around with an assault rifle, how do you distinguish the good guys with an assault rifle from the bad guys carrying an assault rifle?
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Old 04-21-2013, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Columbus, OH
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The idea that a handful of strangers can spontaneously form a SWAT team in the heat of the moment and expect a good outcome is plain silly. I have in fact trained the "armed perpetrator mixed in with civilians" scenario with law enforcement back in Europe, and everybody makes a complete dog's breakfast of it on the first few run-throughs. It's really seriously goddamn hard.

I see people trusted with the responsibility of handling themselves with a motorized vehicle every day, and it has caused me to not share your optimism.
Too bad you're completely wrong.

"Last July, mathematics enthusiast Davi Barker published an analysis of 93 mass shootings, and found that the average number of people killed in such shootings when stopped by police is 14.3. The average number of people killed in mass shootings when stopped by a civilian is 2.3."


Auditing Shooting Rampage Statistics - Daily Anarchist
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