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View Poll Results: Hip Hop-Art or Poison?
Art 23 44.23%
Poison 29 55.77%
Voters: 52. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-21-2013, 06:11 PM
 
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Yea, but most hip hop is cornball and cheesy too. Most hip hop isn't violent.

And sure, some bands are managing to have a great run. Mumford and Sons is a good example.

But rap will survive and thrive regardless. Rock couldn't kill it, neither could alternative or "grunge." Hip hop always manages to sray on top because its the kid's music.
Nothing survives forever. Get yourself a history of music. All music lives on as history, but other music replaces it, so get ready.
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Old 04-21-2013, 06:11 PM
 
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Any "thing" that glamorizes being a criminal/thug/gang member/womanizer/violent is poison. You are right; it can be both, just not at the same time.

Why is it that words said in general conversation and deemed to be obnoxious, racial, derogatory...etc. magically become acceptable (art) simply because they are lyrics set to a beat? At face value, I see it as a way (for some) to capitalize off anger and deranged attitudes, and that qualifies as exploitation.
So that means that The Godfather is no more considered art than a gangster rap song, right?

Are you willing to apply that standard to Scorsese and Tarantino?
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Old 04-21-2013, 06:18 PM
 
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Nothing survives forever. Get yourself a history of music. All music lives on as history, but other music replaces it, so get ready.
I know my music history quite well. Extremely well in fact.

Moreover, I'm not a rap afficionado, so I'm not here to pray for its long term success. If it disappeared tomorrow, I won't care.

I'm a jazzman first and foremost. Jazz will never die because its simply superior to all other musical genres.

Miles' greatness will still be discussed 200 years from now. I'm convinced of it.
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Old 04-21-2013, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Henderson, NV
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Any "thing" that glamorizes being a criminal/thug/gang member/womanizer/violent is poison. You are right; it can be both, just not at the same time.

Why is it that words said in general conversation and deemed to be obnoxious, racial, derogatory...etc. magically become acceptable (art) simply because they are lyrics set to a beat? At face value, I see it as a way (for some) to capitalize off anger and deranged attitudes, and that qualifies as exploitation.
I think art is different in a way. It doesn't force people to be a part of the movement. It just shows a part of life or a part of the world that is different. It helps us understand where these people are coming from.

I don't like the derogatory words involved in some of the songs mind you but it's not like they are telling people to be a criminal/thug/gang member/ womanizer/violent person. There is a difference between art and propaganda. Art doesn't preach. propaganda does. Art is all it is even if it has a message to convey. You can take it or leave it. Propaganda encourages you to do whatever. Of course there is always a thin line between the two. That's how I see it anyway.
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Old 04-21-2013, 06:35 PM
 
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Relieves STRESS? STRESS? You're kidding me, right? Yeah I can see it now - Psychology Today recommending that all stressed out people go out there and watch a few really violent flicks and listen to some really violent hip hop. Works like a charm to relax. Um... on another planet maybe!!!
not kidding, its like they are releasing anger for u so u dont have to
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Old 04-21-2013, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Black culture destroyed music with rap.. worst clamor I ever heard and the baggy pants look childish with them holding them up as they walk.. reminds me of a toddler with their pants falling off. Give me the good old days when the Platters , Jackie Wilson , Dee Clark, Clyde Mcphatter and the Four Tops actually sang ... to name just a few of the great artists..
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Old 04-21-2013, 06:49 PM
 
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Nothing survives forever. Get yourself a history of music. All music lives on as history, but other music replaces it, so get ready.
You mean to tell me rockabilly is just a passing fad? I think not, good sirrah.
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Old 04-21-2013, 06:53 PM
 
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Rap, hippity hop, and poppity pop of today is utter crap, especially the top selling ones. And while I dont think most of it glorifies violence much anymore, its still garbage none the less. Its all about flashy, me me me, sex, etc etc etc nonsense. The sooner it all dies out the better.
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Old 04-21-2013, 06:56 PM
 
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Black culture destroyed music with rap.. worst clamor I ever heard and the baggy pants look childish with them holding them up as they walk.. reminds me of a toddler with their pants falling off. Give me the good old days when the Platters , Jackie Wilson , Dee Clark, Clyde Mcphatter and the Four Tops actually sang ... to name just a few of the great artists..
Totally. Thank goodness some enterprising chaps have sought to rescue the rap game from having her good name sullied:


'Chap-Hop History' by Mr.B The Gentleman Rhymer - YouTube
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Old 04-21-2013, 06:57 PM
 
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there are alot of old fuddy duddies on here who hate rap
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