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Old 04-24-2013, 11:26 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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[quote=Frank DeForrest;29281691]I dont support governmen
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Old 04-25-2013, 08:14 PM
 
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Actually, this was the teachings of the Christian church they belonged to. Unfortunately, not an isolated incident.

LIVING ON A PRAYER: THE CASUALTIES OF FAITH-HEALING


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Just because it's the teachings of their specific denomination (or more likely an independent church) doesn't mean it isn't extremist.
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Old 04-25-2013, 10:50 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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A couple serving probation for the 2009 death of their toddler after they turned to prayer instead of a doctor could face new charges now that another son has died.

"Herbert and Catherine Schaible belong to a fundamentalist Christian church that believes in faith healing. They lost their 8-month-old son, Brandon, last week after he suffered from diarrhea and breathing problems for at least a week, and stopped eating. Four years ago, another son died from bacterial pneumonia."*


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so you dont believe in the 1st Amendment?

do you just believe in the rights that only you and others say we the people can have?
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Old 04-25-2013, 11:01 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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so you dont believe in the 1st Amendment?

do you just believe in the rights that only you and others say we the people can have?
I highly doubt the First Amendment negates contributing to the death of a minor, especially if that minor isn't being given THEIR right to choose treatment or death. Do you also think the Boston bombers were merely exercising their freedom of religion (if it was religiously motivated), and should thus be let off the hook?
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Old 04-26-2013, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Earth Wanderer, longing for the stars.
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I know that this could open up a discussion of whether religion has been a force for predominantly good or evil in the world - but it also asks whether parents 'own' their children or not and at what point, if any, the community should intervene.
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Old 04-27-2013, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Oddly enough I'm not the LEAST bit worried about loosing my credibility in any response I make to you.

Weird, huh?

BTW: I KNOW fundamentalists who pray instead of taking their kids to the doctor. Going to say I just made that up? It's the truth. And their kids have paid the price for it.
The number of fundamentalists who pray instead of seeking medical care for their children could very well be higher than we know! We only hear about those cases that end up with a child dying. There are probably many children who didn't end up dying but suffered tremendously because they were not given proper an d timely medical care.

I wonder if these fundamentalists also pray instead of taking their children to a dentist.
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Old 04-27-2013, 08:24 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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So is it an attack on one set of idiot parents or a whole religion? Because we all know you lefties will want to defend Christians as much as Muslims. Wait no you don't LOL
If the religion consists of 'faith healing' then, yes, I condemn the entire religion. How dare those parents refer to themselves as pro-life whilst they watch two of their own children die. Ugh.

They give Christians eveywhere a bad name.

I will say that the vast majority of Christians go to the doctor like everyone else.
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Old 04-27-2013, 08:29 AM
 
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so you dont believe in the 1st Amendment?

do you just believe in the rights that only you and others say we the people can have?
Let me ask you this:

Do you support the first amendment rights of Muslims to kill those they perceive as "infidels" in our country?

Do you support the first amendment rights of LDS to rape and marry children?

Do you support the first amendment rights of Jehovah Witnesses to deny a life saving blood transfusion to an injured child?

Do you support the first amendment rights of a catholic hospital to deny a mother a life saving termination of pregnancy?
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Old 04-27-2013, 10:06 AM
 
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The number of fundamentalists who pray instead of seeking medical care for their children could very well be higher than we know! We only hear about those cases that end up with a child dying. There are probably many children who didn't end up dying but suffered tremendously because they were not given proper an d timely medical care.

I wonder if these fundamentalists also pray instead of taking their children to a dentist.
YEAH! COULD BE!!

When in doubt, assume and speculate.
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Old 04-27-2013, 10:48 AM
 
Location: NW Arkansas
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Stories like this are more reason why the United States should agree to the UN Declaration of Rights of the Child and implement it into law. We are the only country in the world, other than Somalia! that hasn't signed and ratified it. And there are conservative people all up in arms about the possibility of ratifying it because it will take some parent's rights away...like the right for parents to kill their children like this. Sorry, but there are some rights that parents don't need/deserve. There are some parents not worthy of any rights. The ability to reproduce doesn't automatically qualify a person to know what's best for another human being. Criminals have more rights than children in this country!!
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