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Old 04-26-2013, 07:08 PM
 
Location: SoCal & Mid-TN
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Nobody wants children, disabled or elderly to starve to death. What we want is a system that actually works and doesn't waste our hard earned tax dollars on welfare recipients abusing the system. When they put machines in strip clubs, casinos and bars that take welfare cards, there is a serious problem, and the rest of us who work hard have every right to get angry.
I have no problem with my tax dollars going to help those who truly need it (and as a single person with a decent income, I definitely pay taxes). To me, this is what makes a great society - the way it takes care of the needy. But like you, what makes me furious is the amount of fraud in the system. We could take much better care of those who really need help if we could get a handle on the fraud. But to do that we need to have a system that really checks on these people. That's actually a job I would enjoy. I would think the money it would cost to finance better fraud protection would more than pay for itself. Why aren't we doing this????
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Old 04-26-2013, 07:18 PM
 
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Nobody wants children, disabled or elderly to starve to death. What we want is a system that actually works and doesn't waste our hard earned tax dollars on welfare recipients abusing the system. When they put machines in strip clubs, casinos and bars that take welfare cards, there is a serious problem, and the rest of us who work hard have every right to get angry.
Do you have any proof that machines that take welfare cards are in strip clubs, casinos, or bars?
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Old 04-26-2013, 07:20 PM
 
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Nobody wants children, disabled or elderly to starve to death. What we want is a system that actually works and doesn't waste our hard earned tax dollars on welfare recipients abusing the system. When they put machines in strip clubs, casinos and bars that take welfare cards, there is a serious problem, and the rest of us who work hard have every right to get angry.
I think it's funny that there's worry about welfare fraud, when it's a very small percentage of the total.

On the other hand, corporations play the system to avoid paying billions in tax revenue to the U.S. and no one complains.
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Old 04-26-2013, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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"your nations Capital) and many poor rural areas don't have decent supermarkets." Ah, but they used to.

What do you think caused them ALL to move out?

In sufficient return on investment to satisfy the high networth individuals and banks that hold 80% of this nations wealth!!! Why should they accept low rates of return when you can get a better rate from a bank in the Cayman Islands or send the money to China to invest in the world's largest market that needs everything in amounts undreamed of in the USA.
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Old 04-26-2013, 07:45 PM
 
Location: SoCal & Mid-TN
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I think it's funny that there's worry about welfare fraud, when it's a very small percentage of the total.

On the other hand, corporations play the system to avoid paying billions in tax revenue to the U.S. and no one complains.
I agree with you on corporate welfare. But there is evidently quite a bit of welfare fraud. Here is some info from the California Dept of Social Services (not some right wing website):

Welfare Fraud Stories

Also, a quick search resulted in links to offices in several states and the Feds set up specifically to combat fraud ("report suspected fraud here"). But they probably are severely understaffed so don't know how much investigation is actually done.
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Old 04-26-2013, 07:53 PM
 
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I agree with you on corporate welfare. But there is evidently quite a bit of welfare fraud. Here is some info from the California Dept of Social Services (not some right wing website):

Welfare Fraud Stories

Also, a quick search resulted in links to offices in several states and the Feds set up specifically to combat fraud ("report suspected fraud here"). But they probably are severely understaffed so don't know how much investigation is actually done.
A handful of individual cases documented over several years is hardly "quite a bit."

As for the last two findings, that's a lot, but it's still still peanuts compared to corporate welfare. Many of the biggest corporations pay zero federal taxes creating a loss of $14 billion a year in lost tax revenue.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...axes-tax-bills
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Old 04-26-2013, 08:14 PM
 
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Sorry, corps and individuals minimizing tax burdens is not welfare, nor equal to the guv taking money from workers paychecks and giving it to special classes
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Old 04-26-2013, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Do you have any proof that machines that take welfare cards are in strip clubs, casinos, or bars?
Old news..this was exposed last year.


TALLAHASSEE, Fla.: Senate bans EBT use at strip clubs, casinos - Florida Wires - MiamiHerald.com

Ban would prohibit EBT card use at strip clubs, casinos,... | www.wftv.com
The money on Florida Electronic Benefits Transfer (EBT) cards is meant to help needy families cover rent and other basic living expenses.
But in a review of 30 months of EBT card withdrawals, which first aired in 2011, 9 Investigates uncovered almost 700 withdrawals at stores with either “beer” or “liquor” in the name.
There were 200 at stories with “tobacco” or “smoke” in the name. And 9 Investigates even found $60,000 withdrawn inside the Miccosukee Indian Casino near Miami.


States: Stop Spending Welfare on Vices | CitizenLink
For example, Washington state now says welfare recipients can’t use their Electronic Benefit Transfer (EBT) cards — which work much like bank debit cards — to pay for tattoos, body piercings, alcohol or tobacco. Meanwhile, bars, casinos, bail bond agencies and strip clubs have been ordered to reconfigure their automatic withdrawal machines to no longer accept EBT cards.
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California passed a law ordering the ATM makeovers inside liquor stores, strip clubs and casinos after the Los Angeles Times in 2010 discovered that EBT cards had been used to draw $1.8 million in cash over just eight months inside gambling establishments in 2010.

New York legislators are considering an even stronger bill, which includes restricting spending on cruise ships and psychics. A bill in Massachusetts would prevent welfare funds from being spent on pornography, guns, or at nail salons or jewelry stores in addition to casinos and liquor stores.
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Old 04-26-2013, 09:06 PM
 
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I found out one year, when I was working two jobs, one at a substance abuse treatment center for indigent women, how stupid I really was....the women had section 8 apartments, some of them in a better area than I could afford. These women did not work, the collected welfare benefits, and applied for Social Security, saying they were disabled. They have kids, and get the Social Workers to apply for Social Security benefits for their kids.

Okay, I am working at this crap job for extra money to pay for my kids braces, it is Christmas Eve, and these women were given over the top gifts from charity organizations...."helping the poor", X Boxes, Wal Mart gift cards, with $500 on them. New Bikes, expensive clothes....the indigent women and their kids were having a better holiday, with a Honey Baked Ham, from the HoneyBake store....on their EBT cards...than I was having, I bought a cheap ham at Wal Mart, and my kids got some shoes and jeans for Christmas. The drug addicts were better off then me...and they treated me that way too...."How much do you make at this job?"...like I was the "idiot"....

I suppose so...but I would rather work than be a leech on society. We reward people for indolence. There is something really wrong in our country and welfare system.

There is hunger in the United States....but not people on welfare benefits. Older people who have over income for welfare, and EBT, but have to pay for medications and glasses, and have less than $25 a month for food. People like me, who worked two jobs, with kids to feed, over income for EBT....so I was buying food at the Dollar Store.

The facts are...our welfare system has created an underclass who feels too entitled to work. Work is for stupid people. And they are spoon feeding that belief system into their children. If they do work, it is part of the game to work for cash only, so as to not mess up their benefits.
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Old 04-26-2013, 10:06 PM
 
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Do you have any proof that machines that take welfare cards are in strip clubs, casinos, or bars?
Yea, of course MSM didn't report this abuse either. They prefer to keep you in the dark and you prefer to stay in the dark. Below are 4 different reports.

NY Post Finds Welfare Cash ATMs... In Strip Clubs: Gothamist

Washington state slashes welfare fraud at strip clubs, casinos « Watchdog.org

Iowa wants to stop welfare use at strip clubs, but can't « Watchdog.org

http://www.9news.com/rss/story.aspx?storyid=252242

Republicans Aim To Ban Use Of Welfare Debit Cards At Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores
The House overwhelmingly approved a bill on Wednesday to push states to ban welfare debit card withdrawals at liquor stores and "naughty" venues, a practice highlighted in a handful of news stories over the past couple of years. The proposal is unlikely to be taken up by the Senate,

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1246867.html
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