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Old 04-27-2013, 08:53 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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Oh please, we've covered this subject so many times but it is obvious that it is too much for you to handle the truth.
It's true dude looks black but does not admit it
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Old 04-27-2013, 09:01 PM
 
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Ha. Work in an inner city hospital. See the "poor", on Medicaid....a woman with the latest cell phone, most expensive running shoes, hair done, nails done, asking where she can go out and smoke....did I forget to mention the Louis Vuitton bag and full length leather coat?
You do realize that most of that stuff are "knockoffs"? Another thing, those who are on medicaid/medicare do not recieve the best care compared to those who have good insurance. The point of the matter is that many poor people do what they can for appearance stake to look like they have more then they do. To the eyes of the less observant they look like they are living large. For instance, many of them get their nails and hair done by a freind or some other unlicensed person in the neighborhood who makes their money under the table. Expensive clothes and other items are normally decent knockoffs or have been bought cheaply from someone else, never new.
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Old 04-27-2013, 09:17 PM
 
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Shame on you for hiding behind the children. If people on welfare were decent people they wouldn't even consider bringing children into a life on welfare. To make it worse they teach the kids how to game the system too. You could care less about the children who's parents can't afford to do for them because the parents have to pay into the welfare abuse system. Shame on you for hiding behind the children. Shame on you for living of the labor of other people.

Shame on you!

Shame on you for accusing people for things that you know very little about based on what someone else tells you. There are DECENT people that have fell on hard time and what some of you fell to understand that there are no jobs in many of the areas that have high welfare recipients. I noticed that some of you gladly ignored the facts that were posted in the begining just to argue some of your outdated ideas. I see it is always the same ignorant statements that are made by the same people who might hear that someone bought steaks at the grocery store from someone else. Sadly it never occured to them the the person that relayed the information to them could not tell them factually if they used their EBT card or a child support card to pay for their food. they don't know if that person skipped a regular meal to "spoil" themselves or a family member for a special occasion. I guess many of you don't realize that college kids are eligible for food stamps as well and they are also counted in the statistics.
I remember as a caseworker interviewing quite a few of them who were attending Duquesne University (29,000 - 43,000yr), Pitt University (16,000- 23,000) and CMU (62,000+) out of curosity I asked one them how did they know about applying and she looked at me and said "my father who is an accountant told me to".
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Old 04-27-2013, 09:19 PM
 
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Oh look at Jolly Green, defending welfare.

Socialism requires people to submit to the rule of law. In return for their compliance, citizens are provided with resources rationed by the government, ie... Welfare.

Liberalism asserts that aside from ensuring economic and political security, it is also the government’s job to interfere with people’s day-to-day affairs in order to maintain social security. Liberalism, in effect, can be compared to socialism, because both of them assert that the government can effectively uplift its citizens by seizing control of the economy or private institutions. Class warfare / Redistribution / Welfare.
If you truely believe that why is it that you never rail about corp welfare?
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Old 04-27-2013, 09:28 PM
 
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Corporations don't have children who carjack me.
They do worst, they rob you of you pensions and other benefits. You can get another car and recover anything that you might lose, trying losing something that you have been putting into for all of your working life
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Old 04-27-2013, 09:31 PM
 
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Can anyone give me some data on how much the Big Corporations and Banks connected to the hip of politicians make off of welfare? Like Food Stamp JP Morgan for example?

The same ones that steal from tax payers like me, where I am paying 30%, and the ones above pay less?

These leeches in bed with the government need to go to Hell.

Company profits depend on the 'welfare payments' they get from ...
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Old 04-27-2013, 09:37 PM
 
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Obama is the most mendacious political figure I have ever witnessed. Even by the low standards of his presidential predecessors, his narcissistic, contumacious arrogance is unequalled.

Using Obama as the bar, Nero would have to be elevated to sainthood…Many in America wanted to be proud when the first person of color was elected president, but instead, they have been witness to a congenital liar, a woman who has been ashamed of America her entire life, failed policies. He and his wife view their life at our expense as an entitlement while America’s people go homeless, hungry and unemployed.

Obama and his administration hide the truth from you yet the financial illiterates ignore the warnings because they want to be proud of our first black president. Yes, a black man made it into the white house but what has he done to be proud of. Actions are more important than words.

I was wondering when you were going to start bashing Obama Apparently you still have not taken that civics class yet because if you had you would know that Congress controls the government purse strings and they are fighting everything that Obama does. Now using that bit of common sense, there is no way that he responsible for all of Americas ills without those folks in Congress and the Senate......He is not the all powerful OZ
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Old 04-27-2013, 09:45 PM
 
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A "hand up" means a minimum wage job. Just enough to throw you off food stamps, so you work 40 hours a week and have a lower standard of living then when you were on welfare. This is a hard sell to the welfare entrenched mentality. They are not the sharpest crayons in the pencil box. These are not motivated people who will work hard at a minimum wage job and get promotions and work out of poverty with education and hard work.

The mentality here is.....if I have another child I will be eligible for section 8, and get a bigger apartment.
Do you realize the other ractors on why many women would rather stay on welfare than work? In many places the decent paying jobs require at least one - two bus rides away ($) and they still have to get childcare which is really expensive ($) now if you take a minium wage job in the suburbs and substract transportation/childcare away not to mention taxes so whats left is very little. If you made 2k a month and you had to kick out 1700 not including the taxes, rent, food, insurance and incidentals who in their right mind is going to be busting their butts for what is left? I know that there are those who game the system but that is still a small number that a few people want to use as examples for everyone else.
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Old 04-27-2013, 09:56 PM
 
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Why do you have to bring race into it? Yes, blacks are 3 times more likely to be on welfare than their population would suggest. Yes, whites are underrepresented.

What is the point though?

There has been some historical reasons for black poverty - not as an excuse for all cases, but as a whole.

Hmmm, the reason why is because some buttwipe will insinuate that blacks are the main ones on welfare, but lets do some simple math.

There are 1000 people in this town, 80% (800)white 20%(200) black
40% (80)of the blacks are on welfare and 40% (320)of the whites are on welfare
Here are the number right in front of you, but the ignorant will say that % wise there are more blacks on welfare than whites not admitting that the number of whites still outnumber blacks on welfare which means that more is spent on whites on welfare than blacks. Of course the Latinos and Asians are never included in these conversations
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Old 04-27-2013, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Deep Dirty South
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After working for HUD in Palm Beach County, FL (where the city of West Palm Beach has large numbers of poor minorities), I can attest that those who collect government money, while not intellectually gifted, are VERY savvy at knowing how to "play the game" and find every source of government money around, as well as maximizing the amounts they get.
Wow. Way to overgeneralize! I worked in Family Support for two different state DHS agencies for lengthy times in both positions. There are undoubtedly people who scam the system, but in my experience and that of my colleagues, this is not the case that often.

For one thing, there ARE easy methods each state has to determine whether someone is earning a paycheck. With about two keystrokes in the right database I can see the quarterly income for everyone with a social security number, so if someone claims to not have a job, that is easily proven true or false.

Obviously there ARE people who do things like donate plasma, collect recyclables, perform other types of self-employment, or sell drugs or resort to prostitution to bolster their income while still remaining eligible for SNAP benefits on paper.

But the majority of people I helped connect with social services were working people who earned too little, the elderly, and some people with physical or developmental disabilities.

If a DHS worker is interviewing a SNAP applicant, for example, the applicant has to provide some kind of proof of how their rent and bills are being paid if that is their situation. It is a gray area to a degree, but I had an awful lot of people who were self-employed that would submit a quarterly self-income log of their earnings, then provide proof of those earnings by submitting their tax returns when they became available.

A little common sense, work experience and delving into some case histories makes it not too difficult a thing to navigate around and get a sense of who is on the up-and-up and who is a scammer.

They are not all scammers, nor all they all minorities, nor are they all uneducated as the above poster claims with his baseless drivel.

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They are aided by liberals in HUD (and all other government agencies) who make sure that even the minimal restrictions on such programs are ignored...
Hmm. That's news to me. Please provide some specific examples of this. The agencies you speak of and how exactly they skirt around policy and regulations, who it benefits, how much, etc.

Otherwise, I'm just going to rightly assume that you have nothing to base such assertions on, but it's just some BS you pulled out of your butt and presented as fact to try (badly) to make it appear as if you know what you are talking about.

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Can we form some sort of non-partisan union to deal with our financial problems once and for all? We're all getting screwed. Doesn't matter what your affiliation is.
Hear, hear. Well and truly spoken.

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Social welfare as an economic burden has always been a distraction. Corporate welfare is much more taxing on our economy...
Too true. But we must bow to our corporate overlords so that they'll allow us to be rich one day too, right?
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