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Old 09-11-2014, 02:00 PM
 
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Your acting as if these people are all legitimate. A lot of them work under the table so they doen't have to claim the income so they can continue their benefit. There are to many who use their benefit foolishly and we all have seen them in the grocery stores.
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Old 09-11-2014, 02:22 PM
 
Location: TN/NC
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Sadly, back home in TN, I've seen the welfare rot just destroy whole towns, and a lot of the state is pretty well lawless.
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Old 09-11-2014, 02:46 PM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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Its naive to believe if we cut all welfare tomorrow that we will be ok. In 10 to 20 years we will be back crying about not having enough. The issue is our population keeps rising and the wealth distribution inequalities keep getting wider, with so few getting the majority of the pie, it makes the rest of the 90% of the country fight over the continuely shrinking remaining % of the pie(wealth).

Instead of recognising this issue, i guess its easier to go after the poor? Whats also crazy is most who scream about cutting welfare etc are part of the 90% of the countries population fighting over the shrinking remaining % of the pie. No one on CDF is part of the minority that owns majority of american wealth.
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Old 09-11-2014, 04:17 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Shareholders elect the corporation's board of directors. And guess what? CalPERS, all the other union pension systems, and individual retirement fund plans and programs are all voting for boards who pay CEOs highly and who put profits as a top priority over higher pay for employees.
Geeze, you really know how to get stuck on an incorrect idea. Answer me this, what % of shareholders actually vote and/or elect any of that?
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Old 09-11-2014, 04:19 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Lolz informedconsent thinks higher corporate profits is better than good wages and benefits..... I invest in corporate America and I've never voted or elected anyone on a board.... How about yall?
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Old 09-11-2014, 04:21 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Tell that to the people constantly complaining about the investments that fund workers' retirements and keep them off welfare (thread topic).
Because welfare has increased as jobs paid less and become automated... Not rocket science here. Short term profits vs long term growth is the issue here.
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Old 09-11-2014, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Gone
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There is a lot of misinformation about welfare so I thought I'd make a thread specifically about the facts so that, in the future, we can have more informed discussions about the topic. First of all how much is spent on welfare, who is on welfare, and in what states is welfare most common?

Here are some facts:
Source: Welfare Statistics | Statistic Brain

Map of which states have the lowest welfare rate as a percentage of population (lowest = 1st place) to states with the highest welfare participation rate as a percentage of population (50 = highest).



Finally, we can consider food stamps (SNAP) which technically isn't welfare as it isn't run by the department of health and human services and instead is run by the department of agriculture under the farm subsidy program. Here is a graph with the percentage of population receiving food stamps by state.

Percent of State Population Participating in SNAP Program, FY2011


Source: Author's calculations using U.S. Department of Agriculture data.
Proposed rules give states more power to fight food stamp fraud | CSG Knowledge Center

Hopefully these facts will help produce more knowledgable discussion on this topic instead of the usual demagoguery.
You said you want to talk about Wefare yet include both food stamps and unemployment benefits and Niether is Welfare. Starting out with a misleading Op is not the best start. Just saying
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Old 09-11-2014, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Gone
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Sadly, back home in TN, I've seen the welfare rot just destroy whole towns, and a lot of the state is pretty well lawless.
Yeah sure you did and that lawlessness comment was cute, never mind that crime rates are falling
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Old 09-11-2014, 05:19 PM
 
Location: southern california
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Of the high school graduates here on welfare most are reading at 6 th grade level
Of the tanf welfare to work clients here 15% are actually doing the 128 hour requirement
Most going to school are doing poorly and only taking easy electives not conducive to getting a job
Bek CA has a voluntary self help policy drug alcohol and mental illness programs are not imposed as mandatory
Clients are no longer required to take casas exam a literacy test
Communinity college no longer gives academic probation
No requirement for GPA or focused major on a job goal
No requirement to report felonies
No drug tests
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Old 09-11-2014, 06:31 PM
 
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The bottom line as I see it is this:

-welfare is costing everybody much much less than the military.

-the military is benefitting everybody here much much less than it is benefitting the wealthy elite.

So in order to prevent you from noticing fact that 88% of your tax dollar is going to kill people in foreign countries so that one day McDonald's can open up restaurants there, Hollywood can market their movies there, and oil companies/whoever else can steal their resources and sell them back at a profit... the GOP points the finger at people on welfare.

And they make really good scapegoats. They're in a position of weakness, they're needy, they're probably not well spoken, they find it hard to appear confident and what's worse is they're taking your money.

The capitalists paint themselves as strong, dignified, enterprising, heroic, and basically everything that makes America great... and it's that image that makes people ignore the fact that they're receiving far far more of their tax dollars than the weak and needy. Never mind that more and more people are being cut out of the economic benefits of the imperialism that YOU support... how could these wealthy, successful, powerful figures who are an inspiration to so many possibly be as deserving of your ire as the weak, sad, pathetic, backwards welfare recipients?

This pattern actually dates back to Ancient times, and persists even while people are supposed to be more educated than ever before. People can be taught to respect strength and despise weakness. They can be taught who to love and who to hate. Ronald Reagan did it by describing a single person-- a 'welfare queen' that didn't even exist. You can put any single face on any group of people and idiots will actually believe it's representative of the majority.

It's really sad.

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