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Old 04-26-2013, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Nah, appreciate the input, but libs were against Afghanistan also, even post-9/11.
It was pretty muted.

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But, in their defense, that's because Bush was president.
Bush should have wrapped up Afcrapistan by 2005 instead of leaving it to fester.

Maybe some folks could see that coming. If so, they were right. Because that's exactly what he did.
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Old 04-26-2013, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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You folks need to quit confusing yourselves over Iraq and Afcrapistan. Sure, they're both foreign places a long ways off and they talk funny. But they're not the same.
When it's both of them killing our soldiers, trust me, they're the same.

Blast that entire area into glass. It's the only way we'll win.
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Old 04-26-2013, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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It was pretty muted.
By establishment Dems. Just like today. I completely agree with you on both counts.


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Bush should have wrapped up Afcrapistan by 2005 instead of leaving it to fester.

Maybe some folks could see that coming. If so, they were right. Because that's exactly what he did.
Bush shouldn't have gone into Afghanistan in the first place, sayeth libs. Unless it was Obama, then he should've gone apes**t on the brown folks.
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Old 04-26-2013, 09:03 AM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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It's an Op-Ed article on Moore's website. Fine. It's the author's opinion. An author who doesn't expect anyone to think he's fair, balanced or unbiased. Not much different than posts we see on web forums such as this and others. Over the objections of the 'hawks' the President certainly seems to be winding-down the intervention/war in Afghanistan. If Bush had concentrated on the terrorists in Afghanistan instead of telling us lies about Iraq and being responsible for the killing and maiming of reportedly hundreds of thousands of people there ... we would have been out of Afghanistan by now. Yes, keep the pressure on President Obama to get out of Afghanistan. Then before 'closing the door' there someone should toss in a neutron bomb. End the trouble forever.
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Old 04-26-2013, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Michael Moore's website? This report was in August 2010. I had not heard this. I wonder what the current number is.

More U.S. Troops Killed in Afghanistan Under Obama Than Under Bush
This really is no surprise. The Taliban and al Qaeda were in Afghanistan and although Bush started there, he got distracted by Iraq, that had nothing to do with 9/11. In Iraq, 4,222 Americans died during the Bush Admin compared to 264 under Obama. (In 2012 there was 1.)

IRAQ


Year....US
2003....486
2004....849
2005....846
2006....823
2007....904
2008....314
2009....149
2010.....60
2011.....54
2012......1
Total..4,486


Obama promised in the 2008 campaign to wind down Iraq and devote the resources to fighting al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan.

These are the casualties there:

Year....US
2001.....12
2002.....49
2003.....48
2004.....52
2005.....99
2006.....98
2007....117
2008....155
2009....317
2010....499
2011....418
2012....310
2013.....27
Total..2,201
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Old 04-26-2013, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Texas
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When it's both of them killing our soldiers, trust me, they're the same.

Blast that entire area into glass. It's the only way we'll win.


Even then, we'll lose. Seems politicians refuse to learn the lessons of history. Long after we leave Iraq and Afcrapistan, those places will be full of Iraqis and Afghans. Funny how the neocons always want them to turn into us, instead of being Iraqis and Afghans or whoever else they decide should be us instead of themselves. And no matter how many times we try to turn foreigners into us, they stubbornly stay who they are. And when we burn their cities, occupy their contries and kill their children, they just don't latch onto American style democracy the way we seem to think they should.

Remember Chicken Dick Cheney saying, "We'll be greeted as liberators."

Buncha ungrateful slugs, huh...

Yep. Ol' Chicken Dick knows how wars work, alright.
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Old 04-26-2013, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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This really is no surprise. The Taliban and al Qaeda were in Afghanistan and although Bush started there, he got distracted by Iraq, that had nothing to do with 9/11. In Iraq, 4,222 Americans died during the Bush Admin compared to 264 under Obama. (In 2012 there was 1.)

IRAQ


Year....US
2003....486
2004....849
2005....846
2006....823
2007....904
2008....314
2009....149
2010.....60
2011.....54
2012......1
Total..4,486


Obama promised in the 2008 campaign to wind down Iraq and devote the resources to fighting al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan.

These are the casualties there:

Year....US
2001.....12
2002.....49
2003.....48
2004.....52
2005.....99
2006.....98
2007....117
2008....155
2009....317
2010....499
2011....418
2012....310
2013.....27
Total..2,201
Innocent Iraqi civilians don't count, unless it was Bush bombing them instead.
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Old 04-26-2013, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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By establishment Dems. Just like today. I completely agree with you on both counts.




Bush shouldn't have gone into Afghanistan in the first place, sayeth libs. Unless it was Obama, then he should've gone apes**t on the brown folks.
We should have carpet bombed that cesspool and poisoned their fields after 9/11 as a clear act of REVENGE for American deaths. Revenge is all their primitive culture can understand. Nation-building my butt! The message should go out to those who would do us harm: the ratio will be 1000 of them for every American their country kills.
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Old 04-26-2013, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Innocent Iraqi civilians don't count, unless it was Bush bombing them instead.
I did not address allied forces either. The Michael Moore piece specifically referenced American troops, so I limited my scope to that.

I was an early critic of the Iraq War that killed countless Iraqis. I am equally disturbed about Afghan civilians that get hit by our bullets and bombs.

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Bush shouldn't have gone into Afghanistan in the first place, sayeth libs. Unless it was Obama, then he should've gone apes**t on the brown folks.
That just isn't accurate. Howard Dean said he would have invaded Afghanistan and attacked al-Qaida without getting waylaid by war in Iraq.
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Old 04-26-2013, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Bush shouldn't have gone into Afghanistan in the first place, sayeth libs. Unless it was Obama, then he should've gone apes**t on the brown folks.

Prove it.
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