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Old 04-26-2013, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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i think any american who truly wanted to assimilate into european culture would accept and understand that small cars, small housing, expensive goods, etc. are just part and parcel with (most) european countries.
Have you been around most Americans? They want 32 oz sodas and to fill up their car for the great cross country challenge or a trip to Disneyworld with the kids. I've dated girls who say that she won't marry a man who is too cheap to take the whole caravan of 4 kids to Disneyworld or to the Grand Canyon. Also, many would never dream of sharing a house with relatives (something many Europeans including my family does). Many (not all) are too spoiled to live a European life.

Even my wife who loves being in Europe and is quite liberal was sick of small portions, cafes closing at 6pm and $8 gas after 10 days there.

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these are just trade-offs to having an densely populated, pedestrian-friendly continent with perks like mass transit, etc.
Mass transit is too inconvenient, even in Europe (except for city centers, etc). Even Europhile Rick Steves recommends renting a car for your travels there.
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Old 04-26-2013, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I wasn't aware you can do that with an EU passport. Interdasting.

The EU passport and wifey's Canadian citizenship are also exit strategies incase this country goes Cloward-Piven on us.
My wife also has a passport of another country, so I am all set if need be. Swizerland started allowing EU citizens to work there some years ago, but according to the OP the number has been reduced to 80 000 a year, which is still a lot.
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Old 04-26-2013, 08:43 AM
 
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Have you been around most Americans?
sure, but we're not talking about most americans. we're talking about the americans who specifically want to move to europe.

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Mass transit is too inconvenient, even in Europe (except for city centers, etc). Even Europhile Rick Steves recommends renting a car for your travels there.
i think it depends on where you are. i've only visited europe, but i found the mass transit to be extremely useful in towns , medium sized cities, and big cities.
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Old 04-26-2013, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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i think it depends on where you are. i've only visited europe, but i found the mass transit to be extremely useful in towns , medium sized cities, and big cities.
Absolutely.

The rural areas are a different story.

Most of Europe is dependent upon tourism to some degree. Some tourists never leave. Same deal in the U.S.
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Old 04-26-2013, 09:49 AM
 
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i suppose what annoys me, is how so many european countries (EU or not) readily accept unskilled refugees , who don't know the language, sometimes have radical anti-western views, and have no intention of assimilating into a new culture ---


but if you're a typical skilled American and you want to migrate to a european country with the intention of assimilating into their culture, the hurdles are set very high.
Hellooooo? While you're being annoyed about another country perhaps you could save some chagrin for what you've accurately described as the U.S.

Sheesh; over 12 million illegals all accepted as fact and you cast your critical eyes across the pond?
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Old 04-26-2013, 10:36 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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Switzerland isn't even part of the EU. They can make whatever immigration policies they like; it's their country.
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Old 04-26-2013, 12:05 PM
 
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Hellooooo? While you're being annoyed about another country perhaps you could save some chagrin for what you've accurately described as the U.S.
Who says I don't?

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Sheesh; over 12 million illegals all accepted as fact and you cast your critical eyes across the pond?
I don't see these two things as related, my criticism of European immigration systems, and the broken U.S. immigration system.
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Old 04-26-2013, 12:06 PM
 
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They can make whatever immigration policies they like; it's their country.
Fascinating.
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Old 04-26-2013, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Switzerland isn't even part of the EU. They can make whatever immigration policies they like; it's their country.
Not exactly, because they are a part of the Schengen Agreement.
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