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Old 04-26-2013, 12:47 PM
 
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The government also had every opportunity to prevent the bombing by denying the background check approvals of the Chechen terrorists when they entered the country, continuing to approve their status in the country even after being warned, over and over again!

In fact, it could be argued that the approval/welfare support of the terrorists by the Federal/State government aided and abetted the attack, and that in the end it was took the citizenry themselves to locate and foil the psychopaths.

So much for the Nanny State's ability to do the job!

Then again, with the liberal belief system stating we all belong to the Nanny State, maybe the citizens were just doing their jobs?

Democrats: ‘We All Belong to the Government
BUSH'S fault then?
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Old 04-26-2013, 12:47 PM
 
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Excellent post.

Most people are simply too afraid to read it....they do not seek the truth. Rather, they throw stones at the poster.

We will never have a rational discussion because we have too many people who refuse to use logic, but instead work on emotion.

That can't be helped.
That sums up the entire situation right there.
Excellent post.
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Old 04-26-2013, 01:03 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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No the Second Ammendment is not a right to life, liberty, or happiness but MY RIGHT TO MURDER YOU AT A PLACE AND TIME OF MY CHOOSING!!!

Now I might have to pay for that right but it won't change the fact you are dead and unless Jesus shows up you will certainly stay dead. Dead people only have the liberty of the grave and you or your survivors won't be happy about it.

Getting emotional does not produce rational thinking.

Put on your big boy underwear, wipe the tears and blow your nose.




Then we can discuss taking human rights away, just to give it back to only a few, as a privilege.
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Old 04-26-2013, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Chattanooga, TN
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Because "normal" people in the middle of the political spectrum are out-shouted by the extremes on both ends. Eighty percent of the people are in favor of reasonable laws restricting guns, but the 10% on either side dominate the discussion.

This isn't helped when anti-gun types use stats for ALL gun violence (30k or so deaths) when discussing the ban of a specific type of gun (300 or so deaths) because that specific type is "scary looking". It make it look like you're trying to ban all guns even if you aren't. Or when they use those same stats for ALL gun violence (11k suicide, 11k accident, 8k murder) when trying to discuss murders.

Also, logic says that there should be nothing wrong with registration, except that almost universally, government registration has either failed utterly (Canada) or else has led to confiscations like what happened in England, Australia, or New Orleans after Katrina (yes! mass illegal gun confiscations right here in the good old US of A!).

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Old 04-26-2013, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in the Southwest...
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Excellent post.

Most people are simply too afraid to read it....they do not seek the truth. Rather, they throw stones at the poster.

We will never have a rational discussion because we have too many people who refuse to use logic, but instead work on emotion.

That can't be helped.

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That sums up the entire situation right there.
Excellent post.
I wonder, how many actually bothered to read the whole enchilada?
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Old 04-26-2013, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in the Southwest...
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Another example of a normal, sane citizen protecting Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness:

Gun carrying man ends stabbing spree at Salt Lake grocery store - ABC4.com - Salt Lake City, Utah News
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Old 04-26-2013, 01:50 PM
 
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Another example of a normal, sane citizen protecting Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness:

Gun carrying man ends stabbing spree at Salt Lake grocery store - ABC4.com - Salt Lake City, Utah News
SSHHH!!! You aren't supposed to say that. We all know that guns cause crime.

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What?? Where the heck do you get that gun crime is related to poverty? Gun crime is related to ACCESS TO GUNS.
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For Pete's sake. I think I've had just about enough with the BS excuses gun lovers come up with to keep their almighty guns, and BS reasons are the only reasons gun lovers throw out into the ring all these preposterous excuses and pseudocauses. The reason people commit gun crime is not because they live in a poor or rich country. The reason people commit gun crimes is that they have guns available to them.

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...As a result of noticing that the availability of a gun caused CRIME, they began requiring that before leave, servicemen be required to turn in their gun.
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So, whether a country is rich or poor, advanced or not, GUNS CAUSE CRIME. This BS about how, oh but it's the shooter. My ***** it's the shooter.
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Let me just add here that I think that gun ownership is a pathology.
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Old 04-26-2013, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in the Southwest...
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SSHHH!!! You aren't supposed to say that. We all know that guns cause crime.
Yeah, forgot 'bout that...

Save a criminal, outlaw guns!
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Old 04-26-2013, 02:35 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Why We Can't Have A "Reasonable Discussion" On 2A


Because the people opposed to the 2nd amendment would lose every such reasonable debate, hands down.

For that reason, they are uninterested in having any kind of "reasonable discussion".

They must instead play to emotions, insult their opponents, attack them personally, and at all costs avoid any comparison of the overall result of upholding the 2nd vs. the overall result of violating it.
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Old 04-26-2013, 02:39 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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BTW, you know, don't you, that before the 2nd amendment was added to the Constitution, the Const still gave the Fed govt no authority whatsoever to restrict or ban personal weapons, and so it was forbidden to do it?

The addition of the 2nd, did nothing to change that. It merely "engraved it in stone", as it were. It also extended that ban to state and local governments as well.
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