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Old 04-26-2013, 03:25 PM
 
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That doesn't answer the question. Are you saying that if the landlord doesn't say it in the lease that your rent can be used to pay for repairs for another tenant, then he can't do it?
Typically rental agreements do not specify what the rent money can and cannot be used for. However, if the rental agreement states that the rent will go towards a specific purpose and the rent does not go towards that purpose then the landlord has breached the contract.

EX. If you and agree that I will pay you $1,000/month in rent to stay in your house and sign a contract that says the rent will only go towards the mortgage and taxes you cannot legally deviate from that contract. If you tried to use the money for anything other than mortgage/tax payments you would be in violation of the contract.
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Old 04-26-2013, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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How is the 2nd Amendment a natural right? I'm not sure how any of the Bill of Rights can be called "natural" rights.
Correct. If they are natural they are universal. Can you imagine being held by the Roman Legion and explaining that you have the natural right of free expression to call the Emperor an ass; or tell the Singapore police you have a natural right to walk around with a pistol?
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Old 04-26-2013, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Typically rental agreements do not specify what the rent money can and cannot be used for. However, if the rental agreement states that the rent will go towards a specific purpose and the rent does not go towards that purpose then the landlord has breached the contract.

EX. If you and agree that I will pay you $1,000/month in rent to stay in your house and sign a contract that says the rent will only go towards the mortgage and taxes you cannot legally deviate from that contract. If you tried to use the money for anything other than mortgage/tax payments you would be in violation of the contract.
When have you ever seen that sort of term or condition in a rental contract?

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Old 04-26-2013, 06:34 PM
 
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When have you ever seen that sort of term or condition in a rental contract?

It doesn't matter and is beyond the scope of this conversation. People ar4e free to create whatever contract they want and as long as it does not violate the law or is unconscionable the court will uphold the contract.
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Old 04-26-2013, 10:19 PM
 
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Thoughts?
The government can and will take away "rights" as the majority of Americans demands. We have a majority of Americans who want guns taken away and they WILL be taken, if by force if necessary
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Old 04-27-2013, 04:07 AM
 
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Correct. If they are natural they are universal. Can you imagine being held by the Roman Legion and explaining that you have the natural right of free expression to call the Emperor an ass; or tell the Singapore police you have a natural right to walk around with a pistol?
They are universal.

Our government was formed to protect our natural rights.

That's what makes America so special.
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Old 04-27-2013, 04:33 AM
 
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THERE ARE NO RIGHTS. THERE IS NO FREEDOM. THERE ARE ONLY CHOICES THAT PEOPLE MAKE AND CONDITIONS THAT PEOPLE AGREE TO.


...That is all.
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Old 04-27-2013, 04:35 AM
 
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They are universal.

Our government was formed to protect our natural rights.

That's what makes America so special.
What good are natural rights, if the document that gives you natural rights gives itself the ability to eliminate said rights through democracy?
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Old 04-27-2013, 04:39 AM
 
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What good are natural rights, if the document that gives you natural rights gives itself the ability to eliminate said rights through democracy?
Voters cannot vote away your rights.
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Old 04-27-2013, 05:55 AM
 
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“Man is born free and everywhere he is in chains.”

Jean-Jacques Rousseau

Our founding fathers recognized this. The Constitution was designed to limit the powers of the federal government while still giving it the ability to fulfill the primary function of government to protect the citizens of the state from internal and external aggressors and perform certain limited functions that they believed government could do best (such as build canals and roads).

I will concede that there is no thing as natural law. If man would naturally not have the capacity to harm their fellow man no government would be needed. There is natural law theory. The writers of our Constitution were strongly influenced by the concept of natural rights.

Thomas Jefferson:

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men
This is the spirit behind the founding of our nation; that men are endowed by their creator with unalienable rights. Unalienable rights are rights that no government should be able to take away. Yes, history has shown that governments will rob, maim, rape, enslave and kill their own citizens. The founding fathers were well aware of this and wanted a nation founded on protecting individual liberty; to protect the unalienable rights declared in our Declaration.

Yes, I confess the original Constitution was a bastardization between the FF's thirst for individual liberty and their recognition that we were a nation where a significant percentage of our population was in chains. The Declaration is a purer philosophical argument revealing the vision our FF's had for this nation.

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