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View Poll Results: Should Islamic immigration to the United States be stopped or banned?
Yes, ban all Islamic immigration 172 49.14%
Yeah, but only stop it temporarily 17 4.86%
No 161 46.00%
Voters: 350. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-04-2013, 12:03 AM
 
Location: TX
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Are they in the Bible as Vic stated? Yes or No?
Absolutely!


Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests or Judges Deuteronomy 17:12
Kill Fortunetellers Leviticus 20:27
Death for Hitting Dad or Mom Exodus 21:15
Death for Cursing Parents Leviticus 20:9
Death for Adultery Leviticus 20:10
Death for Prostitution Leviticus 21:9
Kill people who promote other religions, even if they're a family member or your wife Deuteronomy 13:1-10
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God Deuteronomy 13:12-19
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night Deuteronomy 22:13-21
Death for Blasphemy Leviticus 24:10-16
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath Exodus 31:12-15

It even promotes the killing of nonbelievers in 2 Chronicles 15:12-13.


However, the loophole Christians use is that all of these commands are from the Old Testament, and they believe they are to follow the Ten Commandments and the Golden Rule which means not to kill anyone. But what Islamophobes fail to realize is that Muslims have chosen to follow their religion in much the same way, thus explaining how it is but a minority of them who say terroristic acts can be justified. Not to keep harping on this, but I find it odd that according to the polls I've cited, Christian and Jewish Americans are twice as likely to say killing innocent civilians is justified than Muslim Americans. No one seems to be able to explain why that is. So what some people have taken to is pointing at those terrorist or suspected terrorist attacks that are most prominent in our minds today. 9/11 and the Boston bombings is what non-Muslim Americans have chosen to acknowledge and not much else. We've got it in our minds somehow that the death toll by Muslim extremism on U.S. soil outweighs the death toll by non-Muslim extremists. Not true. In fact, Islamic terrorism makes up for about 10% of all terrorist attacks on American soil. Further, there is some data to support a claim that more people have died by Jewish terrorist acts in the U.S. between 1970 and 2012 than by Muslim terrorist attacks. Not that I can expect certain people here to read it:

Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil

Jewish Extremists Commit More Terror than Islamic Extremists

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Old 05-04-2013, 12:08 AM
 
Location: Too far from home.
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However, the loophole Christians use is that all of these commands are from the Old Testament, and they believe they are to follow the Ten Commandments and the Golden Rule which means not to kill anyone.
And these would be the same people who justify and support death by US drones. The killing of thousands of innocent civilians - men, women, children. Oh wait!!! They are Muslims and ALL Muslims are bad, bad people. Yeah, get them before they get us - that's the ticket!!!!
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Old 05-04-2013, 12:28 AM
 
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And these would be the same people who justify and support death by US drones. The killing of thousands of innocent civilians - men, women, children. Oh wait!!! They are Muslims and ALL Muslims are bad, bad people. Yeah, get them before they get us - that's the ticket!!!!
Drones are supposed to lessen the guilt of helicopter gunships ("Come on, let us shoot!") taking on Reuters journalists. And then engaging the bewildered civilian occupants of a van trying to drive them to aid. How many more videos haven't been leaked?:

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Old 05-04-2013, 12:48 AM
 
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Drones are supposed to lessen the guilt of helicopter gunships ("Come on, let us shoot!") taking on Reuters journalists. And then engaging the bewildered civilian occupants of a van trying to drive them to aid. How many more videos haven't been leaked?:
The Muslims made them do it. Collateral damage??? An OOOPS moment??
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Old 05-04-2013, 01:05 AM
 
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The Muslims made them do it. Collateral damage??? An OOOPS moment??
Why are the "Rules of Engagement" clear in one moment (where the gunship crew know that a wounded man needs to pick up a weapon for them to engage him again) and lost in the next (loading him into the van)? This scenario was very similar to mistakes made when the USS Vincennes shot down Iran Air 655. We are moving to a point of less restrictions, and less human judgements before opening fire.
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Old 05-04-2013, 07:03 AM
 
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Winston Churchill...
"We owe to the Jews in the Christian revelation a system of ethics, which, even if it were entirely separated from the supernatural, would be incomparably the most precious possession of mankind, worth in fact the fruits of all other wisdom and learning put together. On that system and by that faith there has been built out of the wreck of the Roman Empire the whole of our existing civilization"

Winston Churchill...
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome".
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Old 05-04-2013, 07:19 AM
 
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Churchwill was a fool.

The day will come when you all bow down to the new Khan.
Winston Churchill: One of the Most Admired Figures of the 20th Century Gallup's List of Most Widely Admired People of the 20th Century - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 05-04-2013, 07:20 AM
 
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I've read many of your posts. You're an inflammatory poster in general. What exactly is your deal?
My guess, he/she's a very unhappy person. Best to just ignore it, I have a feeling mintgum won't last long here.
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Old 05-04-2013, 07:24 AM
 
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Winston Churchill...
"We owe to the Jews in the Christian revelation a system of ethics, which, even if it were entirely separated from the supernatural, would be incomparably the most precious possession of mankind, worth in fact the fruits of all other wisdom and learning put together. On that system and by that faith there has been built out of the wreck of the Roman Empire the whole of our existing civilization"
Is this your way of responding to the following?

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So what some people have taken to is pointing at those terrorist or suspected terrorist attacks that are most prominent in our minds today. 9/11 and the Boston bombings is what non-Muslim Americans have chosen to acknowledge and not much else. We've got it in our minds somehow that the death toll by Muslim extremism on U.S. soil outweighs the death toll by non-Muslim extremists. Not true. In fact, Islamic terrorism makes up for about 10% of all terrorist attacks on American soil. Further, there is some data to support a claim that more people have died by Jewish terrorist acts in the U.S. between 1970 and 2012 than by Muslim terrorist attacks. Not that I can expect certain people here to read it:

Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil

Jewish Extremists Commit More Terror than Islamic Extremists
..or maybe this?

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So along these grounds, the religions are comparable. They are also both religions cited as the motivation behind terrorist attacks on U.S. soil against innocent civilians. They are also both religions from which a percentage of members say killing innocent civilians is sometimes justified. Only difference being that in 2011, 21% of Muslim Americans said it can be justified while 52% of Jewish Americans and 58% of Christian Americans said it.

Surveys Show Muslims in Every Country Less Likely to Justify Killing Civilians than Americans and Israelis | loonwatch.com
If so, no quote will suffice to excuse keeping Muslims out of the country but not Jews. And understand that I am not trying to turn attention to Christian or Jewish Americans; I am only pointing out how senseless it is to target Muslim Americans. I chalk it up to bigotry until I get a good reason not to.
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Old 05-04-2013, 07:28 AM
 
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There is an online petition to stop and ban immigration from Islamic nations to the United States after the Boston bombings and other radical Muslim terror against the U.S. and the west.

What do you think?
They would fly to Mexico and walk across
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