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Old 04-29-2013, 05:07 AM
 
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Excite News - Army says no to more tanks, but Congress insists

One has to wonder how many in Congress have EVER held a REAL job in the REAL world.
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Old 04-29-2013, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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Another example of the amazing waste and contempt DC politicians have for taxpayer money. It's not nearly the amount wasted on Fisker or Solyndra and we do at least see something out of this...but still not a wise investment, especially at this time.
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Old 04-29-2013, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Florida
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But does that mean they don't want the money? Or just not that tank?

"This pause in tank production for the U.S. would allow the Army to spend its money on research and development work for the new and improved model, said Ashley Givens, a spokeswoman for the Army's Ground Combat Systems office"
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""If we had our choice, we would use that money in a different way," Gen. Ray Odierno, the Army's chief of staff, told The Associated Press this past week."
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Old 04-29-2013, 06:50 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The primary function of the Defense Department is to protect the jobs, salaries and profits of defense contractors. The rest, wars, invasions, interventions and occupations are just justifications for the primary function. Without this form of wasteful spending our industrial economy would completely collapse and take the stock market with it.

It is not a simple as just saying NO to the tank.
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Old 04-29-2013, 07:27 AM
 
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The primary function of the Defense Department is to protect the jobs, salaries and profits of defense contractors. The rest, wars, invasions, interventions and occupations are just justifications for the primary function. Without this form of wasteful spending our industrial economy would completely collapse and take the stock market with it.

It is not a simple as just saying NO to the tank.
This is pretty much what it boils down to. The last four years should show that it isn't just the hawks that support this failed idea.
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Old 04-29-2013, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Another example of the amazing waste and contempt DC politicians have for taxpayer money. It's not nearly the amount wasted on Fisker or Solyndra and we do at least see something out of this...but still not a wise investment, especially at this time.
The amount spent by government to support the new technologies of Fisker or Solyndra were rounding errors on rounding errors to the federal budget. It’s just not what your government does on any significant scale. They are also the shiny objects that you are supposed to feel outrage at. In 2005 $12 billion in cash was sent to Iraq and disappeared and still 6.6 billion is still missing. Where is the outrage?

The vast bulk of its spending goes to the big five: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, defense, and interest on the debt. And if you want smaller government, either you’re talking about cuts in the big five, or you have no idea what you’re talking about.

Defense is one of the big five and can stand to take a hit, especially when Congress is forcing them to buy things they don't want, which often happens. You see, influential Congress-persons have defense contractors in their districts or states. It's sheer personal interest at play.

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Old 04-29-2013, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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One way we could adjust this system for the benefit of all is to have the military contractors provide the things, machines and skills we need to revitalize all the infrastructure we have just about worn out. They woild still be paid ny the government but their tanks would hold water instead of blowing up the other side's tanks.

It is time to make anvils because we alresdy have more than enough swords.
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Old 04-29-2013, 07:41 AM
 
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The amount spent by government to support the new technologies of Fisker or Solyndra were rounding errors on rounding errors to the federal budget. Itís just not what your government does on any significant scale. They are also the shiny objects that you are supposed to feel outrage at.
What it does is re-enforce the idea that the government is incapable of making good decisions.

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The vast bulk of its spending goes to the big five: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, defense, and interest on the debt. And if you want smaller government, either youíre talking about cuts in the big five, or you have no idea what youíre talking about.

Defense is one of the big five and can stand to take a hit, especially when Congress is forcing them to buy things they don't want, which often happens. You see, influential Congress-persons have defense contractors in their districts or states. It's sheer personal interest at play.
All of this is true but you stop things like Fisker and Solyndra before things like that become one of the big 5.
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Old 04-29-2013, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Excite News - Army says no to more tanks, but Congress insists

One has to wonder how many in Congress have EVER held a REAL job in the REAL world.
One has to wonder how many have ever bothered to read the US Constitution. Congress has the constitutional responsibility to raise, organize, arm, and discipline the US military. It is for Congress to decide with what the military will be equipped, not the military.

The Army may "prefer" all they want, but ultimately it is Congress that decides. If Congress wants to spend more on tanks and less on military research, than that is where the military should be focused - more on tanks and less on research, regardless of the personal preferences of those in the military.
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Old 04-29-2013, 09:58 AM
 
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One has to wonder how many have ever bothered to read the US Constitution. Congress has the constitutional responsibility to raise, organize, arm, and discipline the US military. It is for Congress to decide with what the military will be equipped, not the military.

The Army may "prefer" all they want, but ultimately it is Congress that decides. If Congress wants to spend more on tanks and less on military research, than that is where the military should be focused - more on tanks and less on research, regardless of the personal preferences of those in the military.
Just because Congress wants to do something, hardly makes it the right thing to do. The Constitution does not ban the military from noting that the Congress is pissing away money needlessly.
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