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An interesting side note about the discredited 90% number is that it was being pushed by the Obama admin at the highest levels in 2009. On March 26, 2009, Hillary Clinton, in Mexico, said, "The guns that are used by the drug cartels against the police and the military, 90 percent of them come from the United States...." Several weeks later, on April 16, Pres. Obama, at a presser with Felipe Calderon, stated, "More than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States."
And about 6 months later, in Sept 2009, operation Fast and Furious was opened by the Phoenix div of the BATF.
We still haven't received a plausible answer as to what the game plan of F&F was. Why would the US gov't try to put hundreds of guns into the hands of drug gangs? They can't tell us. But the timeline and circumstances all fit nicely with the hypothesis that it was an effort to bring the number, whatever it was, up to the level of 90% that the administration was claiming at the time.
Where do they get grenades and rocket launchers and military submarines in the US ?
Cabella's perhaps ?
Please read the title of this thread again. This thread is about "guns." The US does not have grenade and rocket launcher shows where a person can buy such things without a background check. The US does have such "gun" shows.
You are attempting to change the topic of this thread to avoid a discussion about how easy it is for illegals to get their hands on guns in this country.
I think they got more guns from Holder and his minions than from gun shows.
OP does, for one. But he/she can't even give me one documented example of it ever having happened. I'm not saying that it never happened, but clearly it is not common.
The obvious question then becomes, why OP, POTUS, AG, and Sec'y of State all so focused on a problem that is uncommon?
OP does, for one. But he/she can't even give me one documented example of it ever having happened. I'm not saying that it never happened, but clearly it is not common.
The obvious question then becomes, why OP, POTUS, AG, and Sec'y of State all so focused on a problem that is uncommon?
If there are no background checks or gun registration records from a gun sale from a private person, how would it be "documented?" The fact that there is no way to trace these purchases is exactly why drug cartels or felons choose to purchase their guns in this manner.
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1. Mexican drug cartels get most of their guns from the United States. Seventy percent of guns recovered in Mexico and submitted for tracing between 2007 and 2011 came from the United States. The reasons are obvious: it is almost impossible to legally purchase a gun in Mexico, but there are more than 8,000 gun dealers in the U.S. border states. Mexican drug cartels can easily acquire guns in the United States through straw purchasers or at gun shows.
2. Gun traffickers attempted to smuggle 250,000 guns into Mexico between 2010 and 2012, according to a recent study by the University of San Diego. Only about 15 percent of these guns were intercepted.
You actually believe that because there is no paper trail, it doesn't happen?
OP does, for one. But he/she can't even give me one documented example of it ever having happened. I'm not saying that it never happened, but clearly it is not common.
The obvious question then becomes, why OP, POTUS, AG, and Sec'y of State all so focused on a problem that is uncommon?
Here is one example:
The al Qaeda spokesperson said in the video:
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"America is absolutely awash with easily obtainable firearms. You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card. So what are you waiting for?"
If there are no background checks or gun registration records from a gun sale from a private person, how would it be "documented?" The fact that there is no way to trace these purchases is exactly why drug cartels or felons choose to purchase their guns in this manner.
You actually believe that because there is no paper trail, it doesn't happen?
Again, I'm not saying it never happened. It might have happened, but it is clearly not common. It's not true that there is "no way to trace these purchases." There have been a tiny handful of cases where guns were used in crimes and were traced to gun shows by the BATF. Buford Furrow in 1999 was a neo-Nazi-type who did a mass shooting. One of his guns was traced to a gun show. The BATF does have ways to trace. In some cases they will hit a dead end, but in many cases not.
But again, you can't cite one, not even one, example of a Mex. drug gangsters gun that was traced to a gun show. Yet you still maintain that it is a commonplace phenomenon. I still want some of what you're smoking.
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