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Convertible does not mean that we're both. It also means that the two terms do NOT mean the same thing.
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SCOTUS has spoken.
Indeed. Most recently stating who is a "natural born citizen" in 1939, AFTER Wong Kim Ark:
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Miss Elg was born in Brooklyn, New York, on October 2, 1907. Her parents, who were natives of Sweden, emigrated to the United States sometime prior to 1906 and her father was naturalized here in that year. The court below, properly recognizing the existence of an actual controversy with the defendants (Aetna Life Ins. Co. v. Haworth, 300 U.S. 227, 57 S.Ct. 461, 81 L.Ed. 617, 108 A.L.R. 1000), declared Miss Elg 'to be a natural born citizen of the United States' (99 F.2d 414)
Natural born citizen = born in the U.S. to two U.S. citizen parents. Elg v. Perkins, 1939.
There has never been a U.S. Supreme Court case which referred to anyone other than one born in the U.S. to two U.S. citizen parents specifically as a "natural born citizen."
There have been multiple U.S. Supreme Court cases which DO refer to one born in the U.S. to two U.S. citizen parents specifically as a "natural born citizen." Elg v. Perkins in 1939 is just the most recent.
Regarding the citizen vs subject concept: all of us are citizens of the United States and are also subject to the laws of the nation, at the national, state and local levels.
No, not all of us are citizens. There are transient aliens in our midst who may or may not be subject to some or all national, state, and local laws. The U.S. State Dept admits that conflicts may arise when one is subject to a foreign country's laws.
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So what are you saying, InformedConsent? That you aren't subject to the laws of the United States nor to the state and local laws?
I am because I'm a citizen born without any foreign allegiance whatsoever. I wasn't subject to a foreign country's jurisdiction at birth like Obama was, admittedly by the DNC who clearly stated that Obama's status was "GOVERNED" (EXACT quote) by the British Nationality Act of 1948.
No, not all of us are citizens. There are transient aliens in our midst who may or may not be subject to some or all national, state, and local laws. The U.S. State Dept admits that conflicts may arise when one is subject to a foreign country's laws.
The only transient aliens who are not subject to national, state or local laws within the United States are foreign ambassadors and diplomats.
Or perhaps you were thinking of some other classification of transient aliens...
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So what are you saying, InformedConsent? That you aren't subject to the laws of the United States nor to the state and local laws?
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I am because I'm a citizen born without any foreign allegiance whatsoever.
OK, you are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. Or more succinctly, you are a subject.
But being a citizen has nothing to do with your status as a subject to federal, state and/or local jurisdiction.
Not having foreign allegiance also has nothing to do with your status as a subject to local, state and federal jurisdiction.
Heck, if citizenship and lack of foreign allegiance were required for being subject to the laws of the land, then Japanese tourists wouldn't be bound by any federal, state or local laws when they visited the United States.
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I wasn't subject to a foreign country's jurisdiction at birth like Obama was, admittedly by the DNC who clearly stated that Obama's status was "GOVERNED" (EXACT quote) by the British Nationality Act of 1948.
And....we're off to deflection land! The question was about YOU, not about Barack Obama.
OK, you are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. Or more succinctly, you are a subject.
But being a citizen has nothing to do with your status as a subject to federal, state and/or local jurisdiction.
Not having foreign allegiance also has nothing to do with your status as a subject to local, state and federal jurisdiction.
Heck, if citizenship and lack of foreign allegiance were required for being subject to the laws of the land, then Japanese tourists wouldn't be bound by any federal, state or local laws when they visited the United States...
The question was about YOU, not about Barack Obama.
The answer is the same. I wasn't subject to a foreign country's jurisdiction at birth like Obama was, admittedly by the DNC who clearly stated that Obama's status was "GOVERNED" (EXACT quote) by the British Nationality Act of 1948.
I'm an example of someone born NOT subject to a foreign country's jurisdiction at birth. Obama is an example of someone whose status was "GOVERNED" (EXACT quote) by a foreign power.
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