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Old 05-01-2016, 10:02 AM
 
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And if they do a poor job, they should be fired that day so that someone who will do the job well can step in. They shouldn't be protected by a union simply because they are so greedy that they want more money without actually doing the work to earn it.

Union workers - the epitome of greedy. Valuing extra cash in their pocket over actually working hard enough to prove they are worth the wage.
Yes, of course, that's why the union guys are all billionaires and the business guys are broke, right???
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Old 05-01-2016, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Whoville....
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Are you that insecure about your ability that you think that without union support your labor isn't valued?

I am glad that I was instilled with the self confidence of knowing that I don't need someone to negotiate my worth for me.
I'm a teacher. I'm in a non competitive industry. Schools do not compete for the best teachers. The only way to get a fair wage and good working conditions is to unite.


If you're in a competitive industry you don't need someone negotiating your wage as you have the ability to leave and get a higher wage elsewhere. Teachers can't do that. What's best for a district's bottom line is putting the cheapest teacher they can get in front of the largest classroom they can handle. So yes, my labor would be devalued without a union. Look at what teachers are paid in non union states.
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Old 05-01-2016, 10:18 AM
 
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I worked for a company that offered the union secretaries to join management. As union members under most recent contract negotiation, their union agreed to pensions increased $22/month which they had to pay into, and 8% raise over 4 years. Basically their representatives were consistently interested in getting bennies up front, without concern for future retirement. ALL union secretaries went over to management except for one. By going into management within two years their pension was a defined benefit i.e. the company paid the entire pension, more sick days and time off, better health benefits and long term disability.

I recently heard on the news that the Carrier plant in IN will be closing and moved to Mexico. Why? It costs $34/hour for workers in IN with benefits, versus $6/hour for workers in Mexico with benefits. Unions are pricing themselves right out of the market.
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Old 05-01-2016, 10:23 AM
 
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You're right...I'm jealous.

Jealous that I can't get paid more than I'm worth and do less work than I'm capable of in a non union job.


Actually, it's a good thing because I value my pride as much as my paycheck.
This is what people that can't get in to a union always say:...:"Jealous that I can't get paid more than I'm worth and do less work than I'm capable of in a non union job."
And this is how they always spin it:...."Actually, it's a good thing because I value my pride as much as my paycheck."

This is textbook thinking of the less fortunate. Do you realize that what you're really saying is:
"I would rather work harder for less."
"I want my boss and the company to make more so please pay me less."
"I don't want to unite with others to become more powerful."
"I hate great health benefits and a retirement plan."
"I don't want my safety to be paramount."
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Old 05-01-2016, 10:37 AM
 
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Are you that insecure about your ability that you think that without union support your labor isn't valued?

I am glad that I was instilled with the self confidence of knowing that I don't need someone to negotiate my worth for me.
Organized Labor = Evil
Organized Business that brought us Trade with slave labor and communist countries is saintly?
Does that sum it up?
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Old 05-01-2016, 10:45 AM
 
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I recently heard on the news that the Carrier plant in IN will be closing and moved to Mexico. Why? It costs $34/hour for workers in IN with benefits, versus $6/hour for workers in Mexico with benefits. Unions are pricing themselves right out of the market.
Majority of Companies that outsourced to China did so in the late 90's when the economy was fine and profits were high.

Carrier was making a profit here in the states as well.
The problem is not the unions or workers but the shareholders wanting more and more money.

There are people protesting for a $15 minimum wage
We know their limit
What is the shareholder limit?

The workers in carrier were making $34/hour. We know their limit
What is the shareholder limit?

There is no limit to their greed is the answer when they can sell out their country for more money by utilizing slave labor.

The biggest problem is Corporate Lobbyists own our government and there is no power from labor challenging their authority because they have the deepest pockets.
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Old 05-02-2016, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Majority of Companies that outsourced to China did so in the late 90's when the economy was fine and profits were high.

Carrier was making a profit here in the states as well.
The problem is not the unions or workers but the shareholders wanting more and more money.

There are people protesting for a $15 minimum wage
We know their limit
What is the shareholder limit?

The workers in carrier were making $34/hour. We know their limit
What is the shareholder limit?

There is no limit to their greed is the answer when they can sell out their country for more money by utilizing slave labor.

The biggest problem is Corporate Lobbyists own our government and there is no power from labor challenging their authority because they have the deepest pockets.
This right here^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
There is no limit to greed/wealth. It has gotten much worse since the pre-Regan era when there were more regulations and no such thing as a "global economy" or "free-trade" which has crushed the middle class
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