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Old 10-31-2007, 03:03 PM
 
Location: The Lakes Region
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Hey Disgusted,

You might want to stop omitting most of the facts in your quotes. What exact lie
did Bush tell about Iraq that our astute Senators and Congressmen did not vote for ?
As for Katrina, the Governor there just got thrown out of office for her non-cooperation
with the feds. Louisiana had been receiving funds for 15 years to build up their dikes but
spent it on pet projects It easy to scapegoat one person but there is plenty of blame to
go around. By the way, it was a catastrophe. Take a look a California when Arnold accepted help and cooperated it went another way completely. The liberal media couldn't find the bad they were looking for because Arnold didn't let them.
Lets try looking at the truth.
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Old 10-31-2007, 03:07 PM
 
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Boston globe= liberal opinion only.
Lied to us about Iraq? Congress and senate saw the same faulty evidence produced by the clinton designed CIA, England came up with the same conclusuions.
Katrina? 1 more time. Read Popular mechanics Katrina debunking the myths. If you do you may learn that it was not 100% GWB's fault or even FEMA's.
I dislike bush and find him to be an embarrassment, but damn.
If the Fed gov is the reason New orleans was screwed up and it was due to incompetence, then why were Fla and Miss handled correctly?
Made a huge mistake no doubt about it. LIED? That has yet to be proven.
Our economy? Better than under Carter, Reagan, or Bush sr. Unemployment lower than under slick willie, and more first time home owners then ever before in american history. Cant be do bad if people can afford to buy a home.
I wouldn't justify an answer to him trying to divert the topic. I've been here awhile and I know not to argue with his type. You can have a discussion about the price of gas and his type will bring in "but, but...Bush lied about Iraq, yeah".
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Old 10-31-2007, 03:10 PM
 
Location: The best country in the world: the USA
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The man is gathering powers unto himself that completely exceed those traditionally assigned to the presidency. This fact has been reported numerous times already. He lied to the American public about Iraq and got us into a protracted 5 year war (and counting). He fiddle-faddled thru Katrina, he drove our national economy into the ground, he's approved torture and clandestine prisons, he's given millionaires outrageous tax-breaks.

I could go on and on for HOURS about this man you seem to admire so much.

But I won't because if you don't already hate Bush at this stage..
..it's because YOU'RE PROBABLY A MASOCHIST.

Bush challenges hundreds of laws - The Boston Globe

Dude, I am a conservative and I DO NOT LIKE Bush. Bush is a Neo-Liberal. He is a mix of a neo-con and a liberal combined. If Bush lied about anything, it was calling himself a Conservative, which Bush is NOT. Bush is much like Juan McCain; he is a liberal who pretends to be conservative.

But PLEASE, please... don't post "Bush conspiracies" from The Boston Globe and expect people to believe it. That is NOT a newspaper. That is a propaganda tool like Media Matters or MoveOn.org

These are lunatic groups, man. The Globe is a joke at best!
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Old 10-31-2007, 03:11 PM
 
Location: The best country in the world: the USA
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Hey Disgusted,

You might want to stop omitting most of the facts in your quotes. What exact lie
did Bush tell about Iraq that our astute Senators and Congressmen did not vote for ?
As for Katrina, the Governor there just got thrown out of office for her non-cooperation
with the feds. Louisiana had been receiving funds for 15 years to build up their dikes but
spent it on pet projects It easy to scapegoat one person but there is plenty of blame to
go around. By the way, it was a catastrophe. Take a look a California when Arnold accepted help and cooperated it went another way completely. The liberal media couldn't find the bad they were looking for because Arnold didn't let them.
Lets try looking at the truth.
Good point.
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Old 10-31-2007, 04:08 PM
 
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Can't state that I am entirely happy with Bush, the borders being the major failing. Given a choice between he and foul mouthed Hillary & that socialist crowd, I would take him for another 20 years.
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Old 10-31-2007, 05:53 PM
 
Location: southern california
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Yet another attempt to make Congress irrelevant and unnecessary. 50 bucks says this invertebrate Congress rolls over and takes it. This is a bad road to travel and if people can't see the blatant grab for power that this constitutes, then by all means, refer to him as supreme chancellor.

The Raw Story | White House says Bush plans administrative orders to govern, avoiding Congress

It's not quite signing statements, where President George W. Bush used legal means to "interpret" laws, allowing him to avoid Congressional directives, but the White House is now planning to implement as much new policy "as it can" by administrative order "after concluding that President Bush cannot do much business with the Democratic leadership."

"White House aides say the only way Bush seems to be able to influence the process is by vetoing legislation or by issuing administrative orders, as he has in recent weeks on veterans' health care, air-traffic congestion, protecting endangered fish and immigration," the Post authors write. "They say they expect Bush to issue more of such orders in the next several months, even as he speaks out on the need to limit spending and resist any tax increases."
this man should have never been president. a shrewd and complex machine much like a chess machine has put him there and is keeping him there.
we need to unplug this machine soon. we can do it we are still a democacy.
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Old 10-31-2007, 10:34 PM
 
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Call me naive but my money says on 1/20/09 someone else's hiney will be parked in the big chair at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
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Old 10-31-2007, 11:30 PM
 
Location: Boise
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Call me naive but my money says on 1/20/09 someone else's hiney will be parked in the big chair at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
I think many people seem to have their minds made up about who should be in that chair come 09'... I for one refuse to make my mind up.. its too early.. and the fact that it has started so early allows time for candidates true colours to shine thru... I am just happy that there are term limits... sheesh...thought it would never end...
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Old 11-01-2007, 08:47 AM
 
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Man folks, put the left-right, credible newspaper or not stuff in your pocket and look what this means in a broader scope. It isn't just about Bush pushing the envelope of Presidential powers, it is also about the next President which may be from the opposition party. Would it make everyone warm and fuzzy to have Rudy Giuliani or Hillary Clinton exercising such broad sweeping powers?

Why bother paying our Congress anymore if the President can usurp the legal process by administrative statements, executive orders or signing statements. Now I am well aware of their legal basis and function but I am willing to bet they were never intended to be used in the manner in which they are. Yet I can understand why a man drunk with power would want more, since his character is weak and he is a coward that thrives on fear. The Congress however is another matter. Being made up of both parties and a wide spectrum of people, it has surrendered its ability to function as a check and balance to the executive and this would suggest that we now have an oligarchy, rampant corruption beyond what we think, or the largest group of pathetic losers ever to be assembled in the halls of government.
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Old 11-01-2007, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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ThT - I'll agree with oligarchic, corrupt system run by relatively small group of fantastically wealthy people for their benefit regardless of the legal constraints of our Constitution. Our Republic died for the benefit of the few at the cost to the many
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